Today we’re starting a process that will let writers invest in Substack and own a piece of the company.
You can find the full details of this community round, which will also be open to non-writers if there is room, and make an investment via our page at Wefunder. We will accept investments from $100 up.
When we raised our last round of funding, in March 2021, we explored how we might make it possible for a large group of writers to invest alongside the traditional investors, but it ultimately proved too complex. Most importantly, it was difficult to include people who were not already accredited investors—a qualification determined largely by wealth. But the idea never left our minds.
We are serious about building Substack with writers, and this community round is one way to concretize that ideal. We’re doing this because the dynamics of a platform like Substack change if the people who are building their businesses on it are owners of it too. And we’re doing it because it not only provides something good for our company but also presents an opportunity for the people who use Substack to participate in the benefits that come from building this network—including the financial upside.
In recent years, doing a community round like this one has become more viable, in part because of a 2021 regulatory change that increased the limit for how much money could be raised in such a round, and in part because nascent companies like Wefunder make the process simple.
We want to make it clear, however, that just because you can invest in Substack, it doesn’t mean you should. Investments are risky. There’s no guarantee you’ll make your money back, even if you’re investing in well-known companies and well-established industries. The risks are much greater when it comes to investing in startups, which have a habit of dying, pivoting, or simply not making enough money. Startups are high-risk, high-reward all the way through: for founders, employees, their family members, and for investors large and small.
Substack is a startup on an extremely ambitious mission, and success is far from guaranteed. You should not invest any funds in this community round unless you can afford to lose your entire investment.
However, for those who are interested in joining in this mission and perhaps owning a piece of it, we want to share how we think about Substack’s future.
Building a new economic engine for culture
The past couple decades of the internet have created a media system in which writing has been economically devalued and advertisers have been served above all others. These dynamics have led to an attention economy that coarsens public discourse, reduces trust, and strips readers of agency and writers of financial dignity. But while this internet-driven revolution has created a crisis for the media system, it has also brought opportunity.
We believe that the internet’s powers, married to the right business model, can be harnessed to create a much better media economy that gives more control to writers and readers, protects free speech and a free press, and promotes the creation of amazing works that wouldn’t have been possible in other systems. This is the work we have been doing at Substack in our effort to build a new economic engine for culture.
To realize this mission, we have to do much more than build good software. We have to build a new kind of network: one that unlocks the scale and democratizing power of the internet but is based on principles that give control to writers and readers. In such a network, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Each new person who joins Substack makes the network more valuable for everyone else.
Today, more than 40% of all subscriptions and 15% of paid subscriptions on the platform come directly from the Substack network. This is happening because there are tens of millions of people active on Substack every week who understand what it means to subscribe to a writer, and they are open to discovering new voices and work. Industry observers have called Substack’s network effect an “unfair advantage.”
Networks win on the internet
When it comes to media platforms on the internet, there tend to be winner-takes-all effects. In its heyday, everyone was on Facebook because everyone was on Facebook. MySpace couldn’t compete. YouTube has become the dominant platform for user-generated video because it doesn’t make much sense to publish video anywhere else—the other platforms can’t match its reach. Instagram wasn’t the only photo-sharing app around in 2010, but it’s the only one that grew to a billion users. As the network scales, so do the platform’s capabilities, opportunities, and impact. And the larger the networks get, the greater their advantage grows.
Substack is a new type of network. We have been called a media company, a newsletter platform, and a social network, but none of those really fit.
Substack is a subscription network. We think subscription networks will play a major role in the internet’s next chapter. They represent a step forward from social networks.
While social networks are associated with advertising and attention, subscription networks are about direct payments and trust. While social networks facilitate shallow connections, subscription networks foster deep relationships. While social networks are about lock-in and platform ownership, subscription networks are about freedom to move and creator ownership.
In the space of five years, we have built a network around writing and podcasting that now encompasses more than 35 million active subscriptions, including 2 million paid subscriptions (keep in mind that most Substacks don’t have paid subscriptions activated). As Substack grows to accommodate more writers, podcasters, videomakers, musicians, scientists, and culture makers of all kinds, we see a path to hundreds of millions of subscriptions and a significant cultural impact.
Join the ride
So, should you invest in Substack?
Remember, you shouldn’t just because you can. If you don’t have money to spare or you’re uncomfortable with risk, don’t spend your money on this.
Similarly, if you’re thinking of investing just because you might get a solid return, then you can probably find less-risky bets.
If, however, you share our belief that Substack can grow its financial impact with its cultural impact, and you want to be a part of what we are building, then it might be worth a shot. We are at the dawn of the era of the subscription network. We’re all going to be figuring this out together. The work will be ambitious and exciting, and it will be meaningful. We’d love to have you join us in building this new economic engine for culture.
Thank you, as ever, for helping make Substack what it is today. We look forward to working with you to make something amazing for tomorrow.
Edit: Thanks to everyone who committed to our Community Round. We’re going to close the round to new investors on April 20th. You can invest (or confirm your reservation) at https://wefunder.com/substack/
Thanks to everyone who committed to our Community Round! We’re going to close the round to new investors on April 20th. You can invest (or confirm your reservation) at https://wefunder.com/substack/
None of the links on the investment page are working today (April 19). Disappointing
Hi there! I just checked and they appear to be working for me. Please visit here: https://wefunder.com/substack/ . Can you please let me know what links aren't working for you?
I get to that page. The top of page graphic block is just a black screen.
Not one link on that page responds to selection.
The box that says "INVEST min $100" is nonresponsive.
None of these heads do anything when I click on them:
OVERVIEW DETAILS UPDATES WHAT PEOPLE SAY ASK A QUESTION
I'm looking for some other place to click, and I can't find one.
My selector works on all other stuff online from my computer. Oh well, I suppose it's some setting somewhere on my computer, and I'm not a techie.
At only $100 I can buy a piece of a company for about the price of a dozen eggs?!?
I’m in!
I have organic eggs for sale at $50 each then, where are you buying eggs at? Got bridges too. heheh
Hahahahahahaha
I honestly believe this is a good investment. Honestly, I once invested $5,000 in a business with the thought that I would get my money back and more. Oh well, pipe dream.
I learned that investing is not just for making money but lifting up a company that is making a difference. This company is making a difference.
Totally agreed. I put my hat in the ring, I clearly believe in Substack and I’m happy to put my money where my mouth (and keyboard) is.
Hahahahahahahaha love it.
Time is money and I invested heavily in this platform. I want to see them make it but a hundred bucks from a thousand writers will not do it, they must do better and help us all make more money and the platform more viable. It does not do what it is supposed to already after several years and this gives some appearance of desperation by asking without giving us the benefits while they make millions administering it without results that profit us.
I’m not buying organic, too expensive. Just regular old grocery store eggs. But I’m in Austin so maybe I should switch over to stay on trend.
I have chickens. Live outside Austin, though I made my first few million there in the 80s-90s. Salvage, Texas is better. Eggs are much cheaper. Ha.
Tiny-- I have no need to purchase eggs, my wife loses one every month.
Miracle eggs that will be highly valued after this generation all gets jabbed. Blessings to your eggs. I am a bit old to crack more open but the world needs more heroes & miracles.
Tiny-- That it does, now find a way to do that and at the same time reduce the world's population by 3 billion. Our planet can't sustain itself with the number of people living on its surface. They say our population will reach 10 billion by the middle of this century if we don't find a way to curb our numbers. You need a miracle, lets start with that one.
No problem, great benefit of graphene oxide is that it settles in the sex organs and wipes out that problem with overpopulation. As Elon says, the issue is having more population now that the kids are falling dead and boosters are certainly kicking up the Sudden Adult Death Syndrome that did not exist before the jab seasons started without testing for fertility issues, or for that matter nearly anything that would have taken more than two months to certify for liability-free purposes as they did. The real problem will soon be getting a healthy baby out of the fallopian tubes as the results are in, mortality in vitreo has skyrocketed along with stillborn and damaged babies being born since the madness began.
Covid Vaccine was the greatest discovery of 2020.
Depending on the perspective which is not given, no one could say that is wrong, but what was discovered from its use, far greater as it becomes obvious what it is doing to the population of the world, helping prevent overpopulation being once a problem in your view, thus a great discovery to help reduce that potential on Earth, agreed. Ethically wrong to do to the people without telling them in advance, makers full knowing, Gates approved, given those caveats, you are right. Got it.
Let me restate my vaccine position. For me it was right to get vaccinated — 4 times,I think I lost count. I have elevated blood pressure, pre-diabetic and I have bronchitis. In 2020, I was a walking dead until the vaccines arrived. When I was a child,I was vaccinated for a few things. Not chicken pox I still remember scratching like a maniac. And I got the measles and still remember that. My longtime friend told me in 2021 that she would never get vaccinated. So, as a songwriter, I wrote a song to her. And I sent it to her. She screamed at me. I always tell that story before I perform it. My temporary doctor is an anti vaxxer. Someone I returned to from a long time ago. But I don’t agree with him and I’m changing practices. We do what ever makes us content isn’t that right? And I have my song, “Vaccine for Veronica.” (YouTube — Catman Bill Hartford)
So you’re not sure you want the cure.
Not sure, of the unforeseen.
Covid-19 it’s no dream.
It’s a nightmare that reigns supreme.
The shot in your arm.
It won’t do you any harm.
Ole folks paid the price.
Don’t forget their sacrifice.
Donald, that 3 billion is exactly the quantity I keep blogging about. In the 1960s, that term “population explosion “ and a book written on topic when the earth numbered 3 billion. We are deceiving ourselves thinking that going green will sustain our earth. Earth cannot sustain itself. We are killing off other animals. We are out of control and we are too selfish to depopulate.
No worries, this year marks the beginning of the fertility precipice that is altering the growth statistics already. China has an issue, as does Japan, and others where the aging population will be gone fast if the right flu comes along or other stressors that could reduce global population faster than you can count. The young girls are not able to have babies and the boys, with plastic in their balls, are crippled, many do not even have testosterone so as to be masculine in a male body. Estrogen is all about, fish becoming hermaphrodites, as are kids, unable to define their own sex. Sad progress into transhumanism and vax junkies thinking they are making the future better as they lose their brain functions to smart phones and minds melt into codependent applications for phones run by big brother and leading Sheople to their slaughter.
As someone once said, a salvage business or, more poorly spoken, a junk recycle business owner never went bankrupt.
Bill-- One man's trash is another man's treasure.
Yes, and once stacked up, not taxable as inventory in Texas, so 10 million in salvaged materials is worthless until sold. Loopholology enables many to become millionaires from salvage. Still is the best path without banks. Few listen and learn though.
There could be a double meaning there I’ll need to investigate. Writes Donald’s… oh that’s your name not TFG.
Bill-- love the cat, I have one that just turned 21. Ditto, a true friend.
Ohhh… my ultimate subject. I have 7 of them. This one was dropped by his mama in my driveway two years ago on a cold December morning. Almost dead, recently born, I had no choice to add to the collection. The other cats soon adopted him and I had not choice to follow them.
Bill--Years ago when I wasn't thinking clearly, I had two breeding females that had two litters a years for ten years. Figure 4 to 5 kittens each per batch that's almost 200 kittens over that period of time. I was known as the cat man. Every one called my little ones "Bob's cats." My daughter got me in trouble when she told her teacher I was giving away "Bobcats." The DNR came knocking at my door. We all got a good laugh out of that one. The bond you develop with a cat is a special thing, love the little fur balls. Did you know cats don't "meow" at other cats, just us.
Maybe you can clear something up for me. Over a month ago I paid for a years membership to the Substack's community, as of this date I'm still considered a non-paid guest. How do we fix this?
I have many (1 dozen this year at least) subscribers mad at me because they were tagged at the bank for renewals they did not expect, bouncing their accounts, and causing them expense. I refund their paid subscription and give them a year free to pay for the costs at the bank. I can not get either Stripe or Substack to correct that by sending out some warning and though I started with 16,000 subs I am down to 10,500 range with only 83 paid subs after several years. I do not write for the money nor make a big deal about paying as I put the pay line low for the masses to read without being forced to pay for the bulk of it. Still, the idea that nearly half of the income is eaten by Substack and Stripe before I get it is extremely expensive and not a good ratio to work with given the lack of progress getting improvements such as notifying the subscribers before billing so they can agree to continue or drop it if they are broke or not able to pay the $80 annual fee or what ever it may be, a surprise none the less. This costs my reputation more than the money as It makes me look bad and I did nothing wrong.
It would be great if Substack did that, but in the meantime to save yourself the losses from refunding could you set a filter and email paid subs before their renewal to warn them?
at this point, if there is a method to resolve it, I would be the one to figure it out. Seems that my part of creating, getting the subs, and getting them to pay might be enough for a multimillion dollar tech company with the expertise to resolve or answer my call to stop the problem would jump on it. Especially by giving it so much attention here, where they might read it and react, not just say they will show me how to fix a problem that will be much greater when/if more than 2 million paid subs get into this cycle. As I see it, there must be a very small number for many in order for the few superstars, like at the casino with the jackpots, that are making all the money. 2 mil times $5 a month is distributed amongst 24,000,000 writers free subs too. How many writers? How much average per writer/blogger/cartoonist/musician and I fit into all of those categories on one location. Still, making money is not really the point or I would have gone bust long ago.
You may not have registered due to pay wall conflicts that I have seen if you do not get on they do not always let you know. My readers have let me know, as well as being billed $50 a month for no reason for more than one month as I have no subscription like that. Pick your favorite writer but then that subscription fee only applies to their stuff. Multiple subs add up fast, some at $15 a month but the lump sum renewals are kicking some in the checking account teethe when they come without warning a year after signing up.
Tiny--Substacks confirmed the payment, it even said I had paid next to my name during the caption contest. ???
yea, I think the system is full of glitches as my payout from them does not match well either. Which writer did you sign up for and contact them. If me, I can search your email address to see if it registered.
Tina-- I won the caption contest the week Biden was running on the football field. I paid that weekend and next to my name in the contest it said paid. I really have no idea who I signed up under.
Can Biden run? I heard of a controlled forward stumble but I missed that event entirely. Sorry. Not a fan of Octogenarians being paraded to mock lucid elders day parades for sake of distraction and devisiveness. OOOPs was that politics slipping into the substreams?
Don’t worry nothing but a thing. Said from the guy who wrote the best book on topic.
Yeah!
😂
Why do you think that would change anything?
BTW, that's a good article! :)
Is that paid subscribers or freebies? yes, at $5-$15 a month that is great... a career.
How much of that do you get to deposit and spend?
Impressive if paid subs.
So only American Substack writers can have paid subscribers? Forgive my ignorance, I'm still new around here.
No, plenty of paid publications are helmed by non-Americans.
You never said if those were paid subscribers. writers want to know. Why not share?
I haven't been with Substack since the very beginning, but kinda close to it -- I joined the platform in mid-2018, after talking with Hamish and Bill Bishop about what it was all about. Back then, it was essentially a CMS paired with a way to send out posts via email, and that was really it.
Since then, Substack has grown into something far more than I imagined it would five years ago. From discussion threads to podcasts and video, to Chat and Recommendations, the tools the Substack team has built for writers really are second to none. As interesting as all of that is, my guess is that's the easy part.
Now, Substack is poised to become a place where writers' work can not just get published and distributed -- it can get *discovered* too, which really is the holy grail we're all after as writers, right? You all see what's happening with Twitter, and how difficult (and increasingly more difficult with every passing month/year) it is to get discovered via social media.
If we can help Substack become the place where not just the writers are but the readers are too, just think about the potential that offers us all. That's why I'm investing today -- not a huge amount (I've got a mortgage and kids!) but enough that I hope makes a meaningful difference, while also knowing that it might go south. That's life, of course. But you miss all the shots you don't take, as someone once told me.
ALL OF THIS COMPLETELY.
The idea of raising this round is great. What Substack does for the world is great, and I love them for that. But the price of this round...that's just plain shady and I'm shocked that they would do it.
Based on the charts they've provided, Substack is currently processing approximately $17-18M/month in payments, and the associated YoY growth rates have steadily declined to approximately 40-50%. At a 10% revenue take rate, Substack's ARR is currently ~$20M/year.
For a company with revenues of $20M/year and 40-50% YoY growth, a $585M pre-money valuation means that they're pricing this at 30x their current ARR, or roughly 23x their next-twelve-months (NTM) revenue.
23x NTM revenue!!!!!
Hyper-growth software companies with >40% YoY revenue growth _that are already public_ are currently trading at an average of 8.1x NTM revenues. They're pricing this at a valuation that made sense when interest rates were 0% and a confluence of other very unusual factors had pushed tech valuations into the stratosphere. It's unethical - blatantly wrong - to raise money at this valuation from people who generally would trust Substack to do right by them.
I have to wonder: Why would they raise at this valuation? Is it because they've told all their employees that their stock should be valued using a $585M valuation (I can't imagine that argument holds water)? Is it because they want to signal a higher valuation to investors for a larger round (no investor would treat a crowdfunding round as a reliable indicator)? Or do they believe that their revenue growth will massively re-accelerate as we emerge from a post-COVID slowdown? If it's the latter, then I think it's right to price this round at _today's_ valuation and let all these investors who take the risk of joining now have a fair share in that upside.
I think Substack is taking advantage of people who are simply assuming that they'd price this round fairly.
How is it that this comes up first when searching for the newest post first in order? Likewise it comes up as most popular??? Again, with Mike right here at the top... salesmanship and endorsements that appear to be just one of us regular writers but somehow you are getting the benefit of a statistical glitch that keeps the search engine from putting on the many posts newer than this one. Please, does your game have to be so obvious. Are wii really that easy to fool in your mind. Really, let the real search engine show the new stuff instead of planting your favorite choice to start the show at the top for hours and hours on end. You make this appear like a scam that way. Is it?
Hi again. If you look at this post using a browser (not the Substack app), you’ll see that Terrell’s comment says “pinned” next to it. So the authors of the post pinned it to the top, meaning it’s the first thing people will see in the comments list regardless of sorting.
Mike seems to be the only reply to it, so it’s why you see that too -- because he’s replying to a pinned comment.
For some reason the “pinned” icon doesn’t show up on their app, only via browser.
Conveniently, it is the only one pinned thus a banner of positive perspective to start the blog. Great idea for marketing but opaque, not transparently intended. Limited reader attention span and speed, word counts, etc all perfect to get a decision soon after, in standard sales jargon, a quick close on a product without proving its worth.
Yes, there can only be one pinned comment. Now it is an update about the funding instead.
I see. Any logic to the person or pinned focal point? Why not one on the many things that you could do to make this better based on the statistics and data you have in hand well before making this very optomistic forcast of growth that I do not see as a long term writer and contributors, i dare say one of the most prolific if Grammerly is any indicator on the average writer's output. I wonder at the platforms veracity in such a time that honesty is essential if you want to earn my trust. Why so much obscurity, marketing without materials to prove out your prognostications that would not be legal to use in a proper offering of stock based on facts, not just dreams. I have big dreams too, but I spend time, money, and a great deal of effort to write and get the information out for others to improve their lives. Your organization seems to ignore your writers who do make monumental efforts to support you and get attention to the platform. Wii, all the "I"s that are writing, drawing cartoons, making videos, yes wii are your product and best customers considering many of us are subscribing to other writers works to support them. You, not paying attention to that statistic to find the fact is, wii are also the reason you exist because I bet, if you check, Wii are also the best paid subscribers. If wii subscribe to two other authors, wii are your biggest income source, taking money from us on both ends but paying others to come write rather than promoting us better. How is that a good thing and why not address it and how you will fix it to convince us to give you more money, for time is money and this takes time. Why do you, that admin, not pay attention to that rather than forget wii exist and hunt outside talent rather than promote your supporters? Why do you fail to address this insult to us, your writers that could have used that money spent better than on the execs and outside talent that thought you were not worth their time until you paid them to pretend this is a great platform and to mimic them by coming here too rather than offer proof of your success helping those of us who supported you first, most, and put more product on your site that you could have paid for at a dollar a paragraph or article, post, in other words, our product. Why do you keep ignoring the question?
Wait, what do you mean why I keep ignoring the question?! I don’t work for Substack! I’m just a writer like you who uses the platform. 😊
I was only sharing info with you about how pinned comments work. I think it’s only the person who writes the post who can decide what to pin, here or on any publication. So you’d be the only one who can pin comments on your own newsletter.
I am not sure the pinned element has a life, or that anyone else can pin above or past it, thus it is really an ad banner for all to read predicating the perspective in advance of learning what else of importance might be in the comments below. Given few read far, this will suffice with a few more pins to lead one to conclude all is rosey in Substack land. Please, address some of us heavy hitting contributors and our concerns about service, help, addressing flaws, and an amazing lack of marketing to get more paid subscriptions in a format that lets more writers benefit. Single subscriptions are too expensive for the average person but a quarter a read would be fine and thus a partial read good if that is what they want. Anyone they read gets a tip that way.
yes!
Exactly. It’s exciting because it’s a new and growing platform.
Michael Mohr
‘Sincere American Writing’
https://michaelmohr.substack.com/
May I make a suggestion? What if you offered a general Substack subscription that could be used to access a set number of subscription articles, and content providers would be paid when these subscribers accessed their content?
I will admit that I currently am not a paid subscriber to any Substacks, although there are many I read regularly. Part of the reason for this is that there are so many, and it is hard to choose. If I think back to 30 years ago, I could subscribe to a print newspaper for a fairly low price and read daily articles on a wide variety of topics. I don’t know of any Substack that currently approaches that kind of variety and quantity of content, and I’d have to subscribe to many substacks to come close to that, at a cost that would be prohibitive.
If I could pay a rate that gave me access to, say, 10 articles a day (you could offer different tiers), and I could read what I want and each writer whose article I read would get a portion of my subscription cost, it would make it a more newspaper-like experience for the reader and would give writers access to additional revenue and exposure from people who want to try out their articles before deciding to commit to a specific subscription.
Writers can gift each other subscriptions, but as everything is free on my site, I am not paying for anything, either.
It took me a whole month at the beginning to develop my profile, and I settled for journalism to inform, entertain, and motivate. I am sick of popular sites here; there are small ones that are a lot better. Also, popular topics bore me and I refuse to write the 111th article on the same whatever. Instead, I cover a wide range of topics that people might find useful and my commenters are forming a community in which people learn from each other.
I can't see why I would pay for anything on Substack; I am one of its sources of income.
Readers paying is just a form of supporting the writing but they think more will get to the writer and only a few can subscribe to many and then Patreon, as well as the many other repeating payouts that people forget add up. Problem is the annual fees that pop into the accounts of readers with no warning and bounce their accounts. Has become a problem for me this third year on the platform but only the second year with paid subs that have been getting billed by surprise. I want them notified in advance.
Annual fees where?
The subscription fees are annual, mine at $80 before discounts. They are charged annually but not so easy to see that for many apparently and they get upset when it hits their account by surprise. I asked for a notice to be sent out email automatically but that is not happening so I have to refund, give a free year for the fees the bank charges when it bounces their checking account. You have any paid subs?
Thank you kindly for the explanation. I haven't been familiar with this, because I do not pay for anything and my site is turning a year old only in early May. My first paid subscriptions came in probably a couple of months later, and as I predicted, it's about one in 100 readers are able, willing, or daring enough to pay. My subscriptions are not cheap, but I publish more than most, and I only offer a bonus book I wrote in 2012 and guaranteed e-mail communication to paid subscribers. It would take about 10 thousand subscribers to make minimum wage, but it's good to be below that, because it doesn't attract attention. For some reason, my site keeps coming up on the first page on search engines, when I have an article related to a search.
Currently, I am working for about $5 a day. :)
I like this idea! I feel the same way. I enjoy so many Substacks but can't afford to pay and then I still hope folks will pay for mine. There are so many of us struggling on here.
I agree. I’d pay a bundle but so far I only gifted myself one subscription because price multiply. Also I’d love to lower the price to 1€ a month. 5 is too much, especially for non-hype writings (I’m writing for Italians in Italian about Portugal. My niche is like...200 people? I decided to have away all for free, as otherwise nobody would read anyhow.
great idea, tokens to read what ever you want and applied to the writers. Great format to let the people view this like a giant newspaper. Any other platform like that yet? Please share. Great idea. Get your patent in now. heheh
Great news, and a good job of one-upping "The Hundred". I heard its Substack meets Masterclass meets the Economist meets the New Yorker.
We're taking The Hundred DOWN
Don’t waste your time. The Roy kids always take themselves down.
oh no
oh. Not you! The one from the TV!
hahaha
it’s shit!
Haha just watched last night and this made me smile.
Respect for living your values. Let’s keep growing and succeeding together!
We’re getting bigger and bigger every day.
Yes!!!!!
That's a big No, capital "N." There's no possible transparency here. What are the possible, realistic returns for a $100 investment? We are already the working capital of the Substack owners. The idea of Substack was to start slow, build free subscribers, introduce pay options: Substack gets a percentage of every paying subscriber we have. You're also paying well-known names an advance against future earnings: That's negative cost-flow for you until they earn back the advance, like the well-known model of the recorded music industry. I've experienced steady growth, more than 1,000 free subscribers. But I'm holding on to my wallet. There's a reason tech businesses can't find the investment capital they once did.
Wayne--Those are fair points & I can't argue any of them.
That said, I think anyone considering investing in Substack likely views it more as an endorsement of the platform and it's values than as an "investment" per se. I certainly would, anyway.
Yes, that's my viewpoint here. If I was considering a hefty sum purely (or mainly) for business purposes, of course I'd want to get all the numbers and do a lot more work. But as a way to say thank you and show I support what this platform has done and is doing for the writers on it, it's a no-brainer for me to give a small amount - on faith, and with gratitude.
As someone who knows essentially nothing about investing, if I were to put $100 on this then what's the worst case scenario? That I simply never see that $100 again? If that's the case, then I'd consider a $100 like a thank you to Substack for enabling an ad-free platform where, as Terrell says above, writers can be discovered.
I would normally agree with this sentiment, but I would at least expect Substack to price this round fairly. If people were sharing in the risk for a fair share of the potential upside, great.
In this case, it really seems like they're pulling a fast one on people who obviously aren't going to analyze the valuation, but instead trust them to be fair. The valuation of this round should be $200-250M, not $585M. This is WAY off.
Agree. I find it suspicious that Substack is pricing this round at the same valuation as their 2021 valuation, even though tech startup valuations have been cut in half since then...
Even in 2021, TechCrunch thought the valuation was high.
https://techcrunch.com/2021/03/30/is-substack-really-worth-650m/
If they have to misrepresent the situation to raise capital from those not used to analyzing potential of a corporation or their management mistakes that can take it down. The management can get rich without servicing the writers or subscribers needs, like notifying them before hitting them with renewals on subscriptions or multiple billings when your system glitches as it has done to my paid subs and caused me to lose subs, causing them stress and distress. NO RESPONSE from substack to add a simple notification to the program. Why not? To busy looking for other writers to pay to come to Substack. No one in the admin has addressed either the high pay to the top guys or the failure to address serious issues that are causing this platform to fail like a Netscape, or other early version of a platform left in the dust by leaders to self absorbed, ego centric, or drugged out to do the job after they get a taste of success. What is the problem here?
Good point.
Yes, exactly. I wouldn't invest more than I can afford, but I like the idea of supporting a platform that gives back in so many ways.
It's not always about profit. That's hard for some people to understand.
I am betting that none of the executives, the people working at Substack who should be following and seeing the flaws exposed so as to correct or let us know they will soon for they are being paid to do this, based on profitability at some point. Know this first, none of them are working there without being paid, a profit to those who work their for their time, energy, or currency known as human energy that converts to dollars and shares for them. It is for the money for those who work there, plus, and how they spend it, on buying new writers versus helping the rest of us who have been here since near conception, that should be the first priority of growing our continued support by servicing us better, our needs being worthy, not getting money from us to feel like wii own a piece or have a say if wii do not. Clearly no one is addressing these issues Rayrayray, ebenezara johnson, myself and others are bringing up.
As I said, it’s not mandatory. You’re not talking to a kid here. I’ve probably got grandkids older than you, so no need to try and convince me of something I’m perfectly capable of understanding.
These are your issues, not mine.
At 67 I must respect anyone with grandkids older than me. Frankly, I must also doubt the veracity of your suggestion, though you might be old, wouldn't that mean 104 with the assumption that each generation got pregnant and birthed the first by 15. You do look young for your age if so. No one said it was mandatory, just suggesting they apply the money already poured through their hands better and show how they have done and what they will do to make this better for us who invest our time, a valuable thing at this age. Do you not agree? oops, saw your liars and such writing background... you do have experience too.
I’m also vaccinated and boosted.
That explains more than a picture or a thousand words. Blessings to your path.
You are surrounded by the vaccinated — the Dawn of the Dead. As to investment, I wouldn’t invest here not because of any antagonism but because I don’t see a return. I wish there were a formula to increase readership. I don’t see growth just sending to my reader friends.
Well I think it’s a nice idea. In fact, I’m inspired and have a similar announcement. You all have the opportunity to own a piece of my Substack. No possible way for you to financially benefit from it or influence any of my decisions with it, to be clear. But you can give me as little as $100 and feel like you’re part of something great! Let me know if you’re interested. You’re welcome.
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In all the time that you've been writing on Substack, hasn't it made you trust them, re. that transparency? At least as far as $100?
The question is why they need my $100? Substack is a business like any other; you're much too smart to not see that, Mike. There are many charities that I support to which I would prefer to give my $100. What they are asking for is to claw back a piece of my meager earnings, from which they already derive revenue. I'm an old dude who has been a professional writer and nothing but a professional writer 50 years. I enjoy the outlet, having a place to write. But it is damn hard work to be a writer.
It is damn hard! Agreed. But it's also damn hard to run a platform like this one, I suspect. Substack is cautious and smart when it comes to securing financing and making investments - so whatever move they're making, I consider it good for them and therefore ultimately good for us, allowing us to keep growing. So for me, that's one reason (the selfish one).
Since I enjoy the outlet too, this feels to me like another way to show it, by endorsing it in this way. (And I can't afford to give much, so I haven't).
But also - Substack's been super-vocal about wanting to put power into the hands of its writers. And isn't this just another form of doing that? The investors being the actual users? So in the wider sense, that looks like Substack following through on their promises. That looks pretty good to me.
Where is the proof that they are supporting the writers here as I saw them pay to bring others here instead, at what cost to us from our subscriptions if that is their only income? What other income pool do they have but our work? Did the writers they bought pay off as much as they paid them in paid subscribers and their cuts then paid for them to come instead of your cut of my paid subs?
Hard work and wii must also promote ourselves as Substack has not offered much of that after 3 years publishing on here, several million words, cartoons, pictures, music and more. There is little inner city network to show the success beyond what you see at casinos where the few winners get massive attention but the casino is built by the money from losers. Show us the winners or help us become them if not already. My having made millions through salvage to be able to write for free, millions of words on Substack alone without worrying about the reward but as a successful serial entrepreneur who teaches Loopholology and how to make millions on salvage and Tiny Texas Houses styles Pure Salvage Outposts, I wonder if this platform will ever start paying attention to the talent already here to grow this rather than the fish in the pond already. Please expand the marketing department, or at least their ideas, like tokens to read more people too as samplers, but pass it through to the writers instead of using up the income from your contributors efforts on buying other writers or wasted on advertising the hype of investing in it before you prove your worth. How many make a million if only 2 million subs pay? Can not be more than a few hundred and how much does Substack make on those writers, and Stripe? They should be heros to them. What about the other 95% of us who have less paid subs, 10,000 free, and still write 20,000-100,000 words, with pics, video, cartoons and more only to get ignored by your staff?
Agreed, hard work and not intended to be done for a platform that promises to help get you paid only to come back having failed to do that well and beg money from us after the investment pool supporting them bails due to failing to prosper. I am concerned about this platform unless they get publishing to hard copy sweet deals and other ways to make progress other than getting paid subs on here and giving up 47% of income to them and their buddy Stripe, then buying other authors that would not come otherwise. What does that say to us who have patronized this platform and helped build it for years? Facebook or Youtube in the infant stages?
People change! It might be for good now but there’s 99% probability that it would turn against the investors somehow…More money causes greed! Medium was paying their writers crazy amount of money until boom, everything changed; someone even called it madium… let’s just enjoy substack while it lasts. And please feel free to stop by my page. Thank you!
But isn't taking that attitude condemning Substack for something they haven't yet done and is currently showing no signs of doing? Which is, you know, a terrible way of supporting something? Or rather, it's the opposite of doing it?
To act like they are not ignoring these pleas by their writers to address some things or that they have issues is to be stupid, no longer ignorant of the issues. Are you saying to not address the shortcomings so as to get more people to invest in substack? I hope not. Transparency requires honest dialogue, not just the salesman side, or narrative, pitch is the lowest version of that storyline.
Thank God you see it, they just cooked up a nice line and think it will sell out! That’s why I do not like all this perfect speech thing. It’s so full of glitter packages and no actual substance in it!
I am beginning to wonder if there are not a couple bots or salesman trolling the discussion, which would be a bit problematic without disclosure of an interest or bias when marketing like this to people not trained in sales or propagana tools used in marketing ideas or politics. Nigeria is hyper aware of scam spotting and creating too. Thats why.
Hahaha! I'm super naive and green here so I might be missing it! I get it - they're asking for money. Maybe I'm just super hype because of their model. Especially comparing them to Medium (where I was kicked off) so I might be bias. But from a startup perspective, I think they're pretty solid
Going to put my piece out there on "unfair advantage" as they mentioned: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/how-to-develop-your-unfair-advantage
I'm becoming a huge fan of startups which is why I may be a little biased here, but open to be proven wrong
I’m not condemning them, I’m just saying people should read the article again. They talked about risk, if you’re not ready for the risk do not opt in. The first 2 lines of the article were so catchy, we can’t say they are not smart. They’ve been good at least been doing good for the past years but they are not totally honest and I totally understand, no company is. It’s hard for an online company even a physical one to stay on the righteous track they’ve followed for a long time, take a look at Youtube, Facebook, TikTok, Twitter, their guidelines keeps changing and it’s mostly for the benefit of the company not us… I really don’t know how Substack earns its money and yes it would be a good idea for them to get a good return but disguising under the fact of we owing a piece of the company is just a bait! I’ll tell you they’re not fully honest about their planned parole but we’ll see. The future is not far!
Well, I'd rather base a judgment on Substack based on what they have been doing - which, as you say, has been mostly really good stuff. No public company is entirely transparent for all sorts of reasons, and everyone makes mistakes, and it's good to listen to critics and weigh up what they're saying. And yes, any investment is a risk. Who knows what will happen when it comes to business projections?
But a little show of faith based on a ton of goodwill generated from a lot of work helping writers carve out new, sustainable careers for themselves doesn't seem like it should be a controversial ask?
Well, they’ve really now stated a valid reason why the investments, what they planned to do with money, they’ve only emphasized more on their worth, that we’re going to own a piece of the company and how to feel safe about investment with your country or state’s agreement whatever guiding you! Maybe after they let us know their plans are, I’ll reconsider but until then I continue to stick to my thoughts on this🙂
Do you think there is a bias showing in the response pattern that promotes without reasonable questioning for clarification of what changes might be in store, or transparency as to what they will do for you and Mii?
Oh snap, wait a sec - just read this. It sounds like you're against this? Explain.
As a former Medium writer, I'm a fan of the free speech here on Substack and to me, this sounds like a win (yes, they are using this to raise funds), but curious as to why this might be a negative (yes, also aware that companies change via time - but still not seeing the harm)
No. I have had very little help when I let 3 months of paid scrips sit in their kitty, or Stripe then had a very hard time figuring out why I could not access when I had two accounts in their system for some reason, but finding out took months. The mafia sized cuts out of my income do not make me trusting and feeling warm and fuzzy when they spend their money on bringing in other writers rather than help us already on site who supported them for years by being here in spite of their slow progress to get our input and change.
No, after 3 years and millions of words, being tagged for a stupid title that was not wrong in any way, and no help on problems, what are they doing but feeding on talent with very few relative paid subs to pay for the future returns? Great suggestions for better sub payment and payouts, lower costs than through Stripe, and other such things as they take a big hunk of the few of us that seem to have paid subscribers and give little attention or help to get more in return.
Investors or shareholders receive voting rights for things like management compensation or approving a merger as well.
Not the kind of relationship I'm looking for with an app, at its most basic, a platform at its most benign. But have a ball! Different strokes for different folks.
I'm with you. I don't see any mention of that, which is the bare minimum a proper investor should expect. I can't imagine this "crowd-sourced" round will be anything other than subordinate, with reduced voting power, and last to be paid out in a liquidation/bankruptcy scenario.
First smart reply I’ve read here that I didn’t write. These people that are happy have to be bots.
We may also just like what we see here, believe in it, and understand that a small investment won’t have a huge pay off but there are things other than math at stake for the soul of the internet.
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Very hardcore. Very math.
Fads for investing happen every year. I sold the pet hermit crabs across America the year after the Pet Rock. Millions of people bought in and cared for crabs for years. Just because people like things does not make them a good idea that will be worth investing in for the long run. True, if you like it, buy it but do not expect a return. That is all they are saying too. NO GUARANTEES they will make this a successful platform and fix these issues they have now.
I'd consider investing not for financial return, but to help protect Substack's independence and free speech values. I'd actually be more interested in voting rights and control with the investment vs
the financials.
I have been censored for stupid thing... title used "No 4-letter words" about the unsubscribes I was getting after coming to Substack, 6,000 of them. They tagged the article for the title which was fine as "4-5-6 letter words".
Yes, somehow, investors who put in their efforts, works, time, should be rewarded with some stock options or special, with some assurances in return as to how it will be spent to help us already here.
That's the principle behind all "community benefit" investments: don't invest if your main incentive is to make a profit, it's not guaranteed & that's not what it's about.
I am currently invested in three such (UK) outfits: two producing renewable energy -- one solar, one wind -- and one reducing consumer energy demand.
Getting dividends (or, from the latest, money off my electricity bill later this year) is a bonus.
Mandatory gif of Iñigo Montoya, “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
Donating to a for-profit company, or a non-profit company, can be noble, but it’s not a financial investment and it’s a bit underhanded or at least not quite honest and transparent and possibly exploitive for such a company to suggest a financial return by using the word “investment” rather than “donation.”
And if a for-profit company is asking for donations, one has to assume that it is not doing well financially, and therefore is not a good investment, doesn’t one?
Good point. And I hadn't registered that the spiel was asking for "donations" rather than investments.
What had immediately put me off was that the top ten Substack writers are alleged to make $25million between them: ie an average $2.5m each -- which makes me think they don't need my money.
And that perhaps (beyond a certain threshold) subscription rates for such writers should reduce, as the number of subscribers increases.
I might be willing to support renewable energy startups as a partly altruistic venture: but I also look at their balance sheets and projected earnings before making any decision. And huge profits for any of them or their constituent parts have never been in the picture.
Here is an interesting article about this topic:
https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/28/23660473/substack-retail-investors-revenue-profit
Thank you -- very interesting. Someone who does her algebra. It looks increasingly unattractive!
What do you get from investing in a company that has already raised $86M and is asking for more?
You get requests for more money because no wise investors left in the world see an exit plan. Writers are not generally wise investors so this is like shooting ducks in a cage I suggest, with cheerleaders and banners pinned at the top of the marketing page. Where does one go next RayRayRay?
Your choice. It's always your choice.
Mine, too.
It’s so sad you see it this way...
Adesuwa? Nigeria? Assumption on my part, but I’m correct, nice to meet a fellow naija on the platform!
Nice to meet you too Franklin!
Sad? I think it's realistic. But your bio says you're an NFT enthusiast, so we'll never agree on this, either. But I wish you the best.
Oh my bad, I didn’t take my time to read the article and I guess you’re right. I do see some loopholes, owning a piece sounds like a bait … it was literally the first two lines, well since they talked about risk; everybody who is about to invest should be ready for whatever happens! I hope they tell us their future plans with the money, I think they should have dropped a few in the article but I guess their focus was about the money lol
Appreciate your humility and second thoughts, Ebenezera.
I agree. Seems rare these days
Thank you Wayne!
And good luck with your new Substack, and your ongoing spiritual journey.
Thank you very much, I really do appreciate your kind words and feel free to stop by anytime. I do hope my little pieces can light a fire!
I was not expecting this thread to turn around like this. It put some sprinkles on my day. Thank you both.
Yes, address the needs and concerns of the many writers who are clearly not just ignored but in spite of prolific contributions, unrecognized. If the Substack managers think paying for a name when so many are already here doing good work, that the owners think they need to pay others is absurd and shows they do not respect our contributions, lest they would promote them more instead and tell followers why paid subs need to be sought with that money instead of them paying other writers to come here and us pay them to do it and write, draw, make music, and videos for free like we did to build FB nd Youtube only to be censored, demonetized, or even kicked off later. No guarantees here at all.
I would have added everything you said, but I thought it would be polite for someone else to state the obvious, so thank you. Yes, it galls me at the lack of support from the Substack management who are promoting the already highly profitable, and do little for the professional writers working hard to build our brand, and their brand.
Why does management ignore us? Is there still a form of throttling that is less apparent in the early stages without any statistical analysis to use to understand their distribution of attention. Direction of the future depends on people being able to have multiple subscriptions rather than tokens to read what ever they want by subscribing and give us a piece if they read our stuff.
I love the idea but I just don't see the numbers in the articles. Would be helpful if we can see the avg sub price, rev, exp QoQ etc... to justify that 585M valuation. I see the users growth but that's just half the picture for a 6yrs old platform.
We’ll be including financial statements when we file with the SEC in 1 - 2 weeks; at that point, reservation holders will be asked to confirm their investment.
How about some transparency in the statistics on the writers present, the income distribution and potential, as well as some link ups with the ability to publish some hard copy and distribute it from this platform before other platforms do that? Spend on upgrades but also transparency on how this is going for the bulk of us, the 24,000,000 free subscribers are not making anyone money so what makes Substack money other than draconian cuts of the paid subs? Promote us, get more money, but pay for other writers to come, wii lose.
Thank you, Bailey.
Sounds like a Pelosi Bill of 4,000 pages reaching the congressman and women just in time to vote, but not to read before voting, committing, and never understanding what the documents held within. Seems a bit late and short sighted for those of us here for years. Sounds great if you read thousands of words a minute.
Don’t ask questions they don’t want to answer. Just believe in magical thinking.
True! It is an investment that has meaning. The numbers will be the cherry on the cake, if I invest is solely because of the powerful tool they have created. They have succeeded in creating a trigger here 👉 you write magic you think Substack.
A good tool doesn’t automatically mean it’s financially viable and by not even mentioning having the numbers that people need to know to make an informed decision, it just smells bad.
First prove it is a good tool and not just a rudimentary version of what it should be. There are flaws due to misdirection and mistakes are expensive. Allowing more without answering for the others to show they learn and will do better with the millions they have already at their disposal. Show me the last cards to prove you won the hand in a poker game before starting a new hand please.
thanks for asking the right questions.
If I had 2 million dollars to throw at you, Substack, I would throw 2 million dollars at you...
(...then I'd turn into a monster and start making unreasonable demands, like British spelling for everything - "LISTEN UP, COLOUR IS SPELLED WITH A "U", DON'T MAKE ME REGRET MY INVESTMENT NOW" - and deliveries of pastries and beer to my front doorstep every single day...)
...but I signed up for a tiny corner of this thing, and that makes me very happy. You've been a career-changer for me, and if this is one way of endorsing you and saying thanks, I'm in with both feet.
I once worked in Las Vegas and learned about the shills and poker players at late night tables in casinos paid to be there so the suckers would come in to play. Seldom did they risk even the ante without a pair of face cards or better in their hand and they were being paid by the hour to be in the game. What is your interest that changed your life and career in dollars and sense or is that an opinion or exaggeration based on your enthusiasm rather than just a salesman?
What a negative take on a heartfelt comment. Say what you will about this unusual valuation approach, sure, but it doesn’t change that there surely are people who weren’t sure how or where to funnel their talents, and Substack gave them that platform.
It may not be you, or me, but that doesn’t mean someone who feels that way is exaggerating.
How much have you made from substack that changed your life, your career? Given there are only 2 million paid subs, I do not see how many can be getting rich off this platform after the intermediaries take their chunks out.
I didn't become a writer to get rich.
I became one to find a way to make enough money to keep writing.
That's what Substack has given me. (And a lot more besides.)
@Mike-- Well put & same for me. I can't distill it down any further than that.
My peeps!
All that negativity! Makes me wonder why those people still hang around. Doors work both ways--as entrances and as exits.
That certainly is worth mentioning as it implied there was a source of income to support calling it a career in the financial definition rather than a chance to publish. I agree, it is nice to have a place where a few thousand followers can read or see our works but the platform has much to do for the many contributors who are not making the income needed to live for them and a family. Thus, if you are one of the examples of a success that leads others to commit, invest, and share... I wanted to know. If just an early on writer who does the 10 or 20 hour week on a keyboard at 60 wpm, this is an especially great chance to get feedback, but so far, proof of great incomes to support a career are missing in the dialogue. Some are doing great, clearly though, the numbers do not reflect profitablility as a corporation without getting the means to publish and market, possibly paperbacks on demand as is possible today with the correct formatting. Substack may be crushed by another platform that offers reading tokens and publishing hard copy on demand soon. That sort of plan would merit commitment but not just more of the same I have seen over 3 years writing on here.
Sigh... this comment is so condescending. A career is a career, there’s no gatekeeping needed. And if someone is supporting themselves on their income from publication, it’s still a career.
What is it you’d like from Substack? You sound really upset, throughout the comments here. Can you help me understand what you’re angry about?
I won't have to go far to understand the rest of your canceling materials used to dam the leaks of logic and word transformation if you have to call any criticism angry, an attack, trollish sounding instead of offering the proof that the corrections to the issues I raise are
worth addressing. They are.
Canceling materials? Sorry, still confused! I was just trying to understand what your grievances are -- you’ve left angry comments throughout this thread, and I’m trying to get to what it is you’d like to see. I’ve got no other motivations, though you seem to have subscribed some to me.
What is it that you’d like them to be doing to make things better for writers? I get that in today’s world people are often assholes online, so tone can be misread. I found yours to be condescending and the comments elsewhere here to be angry. So I wanted to understand them more. If you don’t feel like explaining, that’s your call.
And speaking of jumping to conclusions, no I’m not someone who thinks a race is just for being in it and whatever blah blah you’ve also ascribed to me. My writing supports me and has with various different streams since I quit my Corp job in 2008. But there’s no one right way to use a platform, is all I was trying to say.
As to the career side of things,
Mike is a writer by any definition of the word, and it seems Substack has helped propel him forward. Not sure why that would be up for debate.
I think you will find I was simply debating the meaning of a a word like career as applied to the finances needed for a housewife, a boy in a basement at his parents, or a family of three, wife, kids, and the American Dream is what most think of as a successful career but the use of career now is simply like "Identifying as a writer" might be in our modern world. Not the same!
If you read the comments you will see that they do suggest and often agree with others asking for the same improvements, many comments that you may apparently missed based on your last comments. Angry after 3 million words published, cartoons, videos, and more without a bit of promotion or means of seeing how we are all doing statistically on building our dream on this platform that has burned through 86 million in venture capital to get this far and is now hitting on us still without making improvements over the last three years that were due when I started. This model is broken and they do not seem to be moving to fix it very fast.
I am guessing that for you, a race is just for being in it, participation awards for all who are willing to enter though not put in the time or effort to win the races by outperforming and getting the prize, in writing, recognition, money, or publishing books that others read regardless of making money, true a career. But, support your family, your children, and call it your source of income that proves your success is valued by the society, that is usually what is called a successful career. Now as to the semantics of it... I grew up wanting to become a writer. I never claimed it to become a career but an occupation of my time over all other things, a determination and will to write prolifically and have it be something of value, perhaps called literature one day long after I am gone. Thus the success of writing and calling it a career, of being a writer or arguing semantics, I simply wish to see if one of the few jackpot winners is the key salesman in the thread to get the writers already contributing the bulk of the value of the corporation that is running this platform. As a salesman long before being a writer, I prided myself in telling the truth and not obscuring it with altering the meaning of words such that a career need never make you a dime in your definition and there is no gauge of success. Call it what you want, in this Orwellian world of trying to tag me as angry simply because I expect a corp to do what they pledged several years ago and help their writers, not pay for others to come instead of focusing on making this platform more desirable for subscribers. I lost 6,000 coming here several years ago and still hope for better. Your success here makes this a career for you in your dictionary?
>>" simply wish to see if one of the few jackpot winners is the key salesman in the thread to get the writers already contributing the bulk of the value of the corporation that is running this platform."
I'm sorry - are you suggesting...? What? That I'm a salesman for Substack? Or part of some kind of behind the scenes conspiracy to get people to sign up?
Here's the truth: *I am not.* I am just a guy who writes a newsletter about science, on Substack. That's it. I also wanted to be a writer, and it's taken me twenty years to learn how to do it. I'm still learning.
This isn't a jackpot. It also isn't a fight to the death, where for an annointed few to succeed, many others must lose. This is nonsense-thinking. It's anti-Substack.
Please, shelve your bitterness. It's helping nobody, particularly yourself.
Then please add some logic and offer some balance in the conversation rather than just sound like a cheerleader and downplaying valid questions about getting some improved service while they might pay attention because they have not in the past.
A serious suggestion, not meant as snark:
Have you asked any of those 6,000 people who unsubscribed *why* they unsubscribed?
Many and the reasons were having to sign up and give information to be on the list and the increased frequency of my writing as opposed to once a month. There were many who would not pay and felt it was a solicitation each time thus canceled as opposed to the MailChimp that reached around the world and had pathways that were tried and true... but did not pay.
I love this!!!
Great! Substack always keeps me impressed by how they build their community and motivate their writers!
I have seriously considered two different Wefunder campaigns, and this is probably the third or fourth I've been pitched. However, I never invest because I can't get a serious, straightforward answer as to how, if at all, I could potentially make money off an investment like this. As I see it, there is only one way, and that's if Substack goes public. My shares would be converted into equitable stock shares. Another option would be a buyout from another company, which more often than not results in no equitable distribution back to shareholders.
Can you spell out in certain terms how an investor could make money in this model? I'm not saying I will, but how could I?
We’re not able to make lots of future projections, but we have big ambitions for the company. We are working on a new economic engine for culture. We think the best way to achieve that is to build a successful independent company, which could involve going public one day, but for now we are focused on building.
Right now our (pre-money) valuation is $585M. If we have a successful exit in the future (like an IPO, merger, or acquisition) for more than that amount, you’ll see a return on your investment. Since we’re selling the same class of stock we sold to VCs in our Series B, you’ll get paid out at the same time that they do.
Thank you for the further clarification, Katie!
You couldn’t raise another round of funding last July due to cooling interest in tech start-up investment and the economic climate is worse now so you’re trying to get $2M from the people that use your service. IPO? That’s a fantasy.
What was the source of the initial investment that made Substack possible?
If you invest $100 at approximately $26 per share that just under 4 shares at a $585MM valuation. If it goes public at $1.2B valuation then you get back $200. If they stay private and the valuation stays the same and they pay dividends of 2% then you would receive $2 per year.
Or it could be like Magic Leap that had a $4B valuation and was bought by the Saudis for $450M and most stockholders lost a lot of money.
That’s why we don’t invest what we are not willing to lose.
That’s why we also don’t waste time with considering bad investments even if we have the money to lose.
Sounds like you are pretty set on your view of this investment and that's the freedom of the marketplace - one person is going long while another is going short at the exact same moment. One person is doing extensive research and another is investing on a whim. Etc. Etc.
Just as it seems you are very set on your view. Or do you just want to be Devil’s advocate for s#it’s and giggles?
Yes, I am set on my view that everyone should make their own choice. Whether or not this is a winning investment I have no idea. The fact that others have invested substantial sums to the bet on the success of this company is not dispositive since there could be other funds that reviewed the same documents and plans and declined to invest (the last point being mere speculation). I did choose to reserve $100, but I may change my mind when I see the actual documents or increase it based on what I learn. Much success and may your money grow multifold wherever you chose to put it to work for you.
You’re making way too much sense and are asking too many very good questions.
Do you have a forum for writers sharing innovative ideas on what could be next for Substack to either double down on or explore? The chats are great but also some actual conversations might help writers, investors and Substack leaders be more aligned on things
This is a great point. I would’ve love to see something where investors in this community round are regularly part of the discussion when it comes to company decisions. I know that can be a pain with so many people involved, but it’s certainly more doable these days.
If wii, the "I" with eyes do not see their plan, are not included, nor benefit from them paying other writers to come to this platform instead of supporting us with the income gained from very high processing fees to them and their Stripe cohorts that take a lions share of all income if you should get some. I have 3 years into it and its crazy the cuts to others to get the money.
Have you discussed NOT doing another funding round? I say this, only because every other great company that has thrived on the creativity of artists and writers has driven themselves into the dirt going on this path. I've been a part of a few of them. It was not fun, and in hindsight, it never felt like the right decision.
Let's face it. Companies like Substack thrive, not when they pay out dividends to deep-pocket investors (even when a small fraction of them may be writers). It thrives when those who are doing the work are the ones who benefit financially, directly. I think a lot of us here have been to this rodeo before, and those who have are probably thinking "own a piece of substack" really means: siphon off profits from your creative force who generate the revenue.
I write this not just to stick it to you, but because I wonder, if you have considered other options besides the standard Silicon Valley investor shuffle? Your huge stable of writers are radical innovators, you know. Might they (we) have ideas? Substack started off with a radical innovative idea. Why not apply that to how the company is run? To the structure? Why not challenge the notion of what a company can be and who it works for? Why not workshop different possible futures with the millions of creatives that are writing your content? I am certain that, together, we could come up with a far better idea than 'selling pieces of substack'.
Right now, we, all of us here, are on a path of continuing to work for venture capital and other outside investors. Personally, I want to work for my success and the success of the people right here in this network, and it seems there are probably many more ways to do that than to have another round of open investment for which we (your writers) will all have to pay returns and dividends on.
Why not figure out a way to become lighter on your feet as a company? Maybe we can become a true cooperative, or open source collective, or something yet imagined, but that is built and run by the only 'stakeholders' that really matter: your writers and amazing staff who keep this ship running and fill it with beautiful content. Then, when we do have excess, we can share whatever that is in a reasonable, transparent way with the amazing Substack staff and writers, instead of paying it out to people who were never involved in generating great content, let alone revenue. Does that structure not work with California law? Well, why not move? Does it not work with the structure of U.S. corporations? Well, how about not being that anymore?
I want to help everyone here succeed. So I do not feel so great about being an 'investor,' when logically this means pulling money from the pockets of my fellow writers. I would rather earn money by pushing myself to be a better artist and writer, growing my readership, and doing it while also helping this community of amazing world-changing creatives do the same, in an atmosphere geared towards collectively bettering ourselves. In other words, I would rather continue in the spirit which you started this thing ... rather than the spirit of all the other 'creative' tech startups that eventually crashed and burned or were bought out and deleted by the competition.
Apologies if all that sounded to brash. Maybe it was. I grew up in Silicon Valley and did that dance for too long. I thought Substack was something different and better than the others. Maybe it still can be? But only, I would argue, if you involve (deeply and meaningfully) your creatives in coming up with solutions for how to move forward, rather than relying on investors and old hat Silicon Valley advisors.
Does our collective brain trust of writers, hackers, artists, PR peoples, finance experts, business people, and coders have any ideas as to how Substack can 'grow' in a way that is more equitable than continued rounds of monetary investment?
What are other ideas for imagining where this ship could go, in ways that would support all of us in the long term?
With love and hope,
Patrick
Brilliant comment, Patrick!
Once something like this becomes an IPO (which they see as one route to rewarding investors), the soul gets drained from it or it gets strip-mined for parts. You are absolutely right that the healthier model would be to take a different path, make something durable and sustainable outside of the deadening growth imperative.
Thanks Daniel.
I remember that Chris and Hamish wrote about "democratizing" news and subscriptions, and building an "innovative" model that breaks the 180-year-old ad-based publishing model. That was a great moment. It still is great, because we are all involved in doing it together right now. I love that.
Of course like you mention, if we're looking forward, another old model that is pretty ripe to be broken out of is the Silicon Valley business model. I think a few of us are ready for that, but perhaps Substack isn't there just yet.
I still have a small hope hidden somewhere around here. Through our collective wisdom, we all can make sure this is not be the same show on repeat with a different name, but truly a platform does the things it says it wants to do.
Thanks, Patrick. I have been super grateful for Substack as a platform and I admit I haven't looked under the hood at their business strategy for the future. This story from The Verge doesn't fill me with optimism: https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/28/23660473/substack-retail-investors-revenue-profit . Frankly, the current $585 million valuation sounds a bit ridiculous to me, unless Substack is planning a similar play with video-blogging. Good writing remains a limited commodity and will never expand exponentially, like Facebook reach did for a while until it also hit its limit. $16 million revenue is not terrible. If they have actually have around 550 employees (not much engagement in customer support), they can support those employees barely. There are certainly ways that Substack can grow. But if they think they will ever become a kind of unicorn, I think they are making a critical error. Developing a cooperative model would be a fascinating approach! I don't know much about the founders and what they really want out of this. I don't see that investing a few hundred dollars toward a company with such a massive valuation makes any sense.
I get to invest in SUBSTACK, my favorite startup and the platform i use EVERY SINGLE DAY? I’m in.
I'm in! I can't go big but I'm excited. I fully believe in Substack so this is my way of showing it.
And now I can feel as if I live here instead of just squatting. 🙂
Super Smart Blue Chip Investment!!
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Wow! This will be the best piece of the pie ever!!
Writers having some agency is another good move on Substack's part.
Great idea guys. Booking my seat on the rocket ship now.
Excellent idea!!!!
Thank you to everyone for all of their interest in this community round!
Wanted to share a quick update: We'll continue to accept investments for the next 1-2 weeks, until our paperwork is filed and investors confirm their investments. If we're oversubscribed, we may not be able to accept all investments and may reduce individual investments—in which case people will be refunded for the difference. In that case, we’ll prioritize Substack writers who have turned on paid subscriptions and paying subscribers.
If you want to invest, go ahead and place a reservation for how much you would like to, and we’ll let you know how much you’re able to invest when we file our paperwork with the SEC (estimated 1 - 2 weeks).
So the post I made after my less than flattering comments on this thread has resulted in very unusual things happening to my post immediately after my voicing discontent. When your Voice for Freedom calls inside your Heart & Head, how do you answer? Listen to your gut 1st, then Do!
Our Triad: brain, heart, & gut create lead operating systems for our bio-computer w/ a community: billions of organisms forming a bio-gelatinous shell Wii live life thru. Is that you? How is it that normally I get 400 or more opens in the first hour when I post, always over 2000 reads in 24 hours yet after my comments the next post got 91 views 12 hours into the post. Did not change and thus I copied, made a comment on how rare that was, and reposted it to see if the glitch occured twice. Guess what, it was hours before they could even tell me one person opened it while the other stayed at 91 till after midnight when I went to bed. This morning the second post got more views than the first and more hearts, perhaps just a coincidental glitch but it sure felt like Facebook had come over and loaned some of their people to monitor my account. Why is the glitch so specific or did all the writers on Substack experience a reporting glitch on their posts yesterday too. If this is intentional, YOU, whoever did that, is wrong to attack your writers to scare them, and as I did, download all copies of posts in case you go draconian on me for just pointing out these flaws in the casting of their platform into reality. Please share with me why this is possible.
So as not to get buried then, one has to respond to the pinned post to get the attention of the admin? There does not seem to be any other interaction to support, justify, sell, or prove the numbers are worth more than an emotional irrational financial investment without any intention to make money but just to support the chance to publish someplace, anyplace that will let them in some cases. Desperation to be seen and heard drives many to spend money on a venue that lets them do so. I think there is a need for that, a way to feel like you are fulfilling your need to create art of one form or another. Yes this serves a purpose but Substack can make it more than that, and I want to see that rather than just take money from writers who have no chance of ever becoming famous, but do get a platform to reach the smaller number of readers interested in what they have to offer. Most will never write books that get published, Substack could help as many would pay to publish, thus an income source. Why not? No answer and it is simply a merger with another entity if they choose to do that as publishers are soon going to take over this realm too, buying the stock and controlling it as seems to be the path of Rumble and others once claiming to stay censorship free. This clearly is not going to succeed if they depend on bad numbers to raise capital.
Sorry, that should have read “Fund Reservation”, it does not bring up a way to insert credit card information.
What are the odds? Yes, I now have potential subscriber call me who wanted to get my highest cost subscription, $150 which she attempted to pay for multiple times but got rejected. She contacted her bank to see what was wrong with her card to find that they showed repeated attempts to purchase subscription but it was being rejected by Substack or Stripe, not a problem due to her account. She wanted to get access and more, support my work but there seems to be a glitch now with my subscriptions. What a dynamic system that responds to my criticism with problems that exemplify the reasons for my deep concerns in the management and intentions of the platform in the long run. While the auspices of a freedom based platform with some assurances of no censorship I see it does lean away from promoting those of us with writings that they do not seem to like, just like Facebook, Youtube, or any other platform that throttles exposure or creates problems that will drive us away; the voices asking for results, not marketing hype to get 30x values for a declining platform. How many platforms bite the dust and disappear due to mismanagement or neglecting to service the people who support them because of the glamour of their success in words before the results are perfected, constantly improved, or like Go Pro, gone for all intents and purposes. Who is paying your bills? Us, writers, creators, with paid subs, that is the idea isn't it? So when wii have made huge efforts to contribute and build our brand on your platform, not only are these issues I bring up ignored by your teams of support, no new pinned hopes for seeing more or hearing more, for knowing you are addressing these points or blowing them off gives us insight into the irrelevance of our opinions or concerns versus getting people to give more money without promises for change but the hope of exposure without knowing this platform is failing to do just that... get more exposure for the writers, cartoonists, videographers, photographers, musicians, and more that are working to make this platform great. What are you all doing? Striking back at me? Wrong path I suggest because as you might check and see, I write alot, and if I leave, you will have caused it for no more reason than attacking and failing to address concerns many others besides myself share, the many "I"s with eyes that see you are not playing fair with your family. Wii, not just Mii, must be given some voice and results or you are a memory in a history of failed platforms. Do you not see?
Hi, I’m trying to invest on the Wefunder page, but it will not go past “Fund Investment”. I want to pay using a credit card. Please help!! Not sure what the glitch is???
If you’re Canadian and in Ontario, Quebec, or Alberta, it isn’t possible to use WeFunder as our provincial regs ban it. That was my issue too.
Thank you. I’m in the US, the government here hasn’t been allowed to be so draconian - yet. They’re working on it.
Quick question unrelated: I noticed the big orange post button on the SS app disappeared. Is it coming back?
Updating it :) Will be back soon!
Is anyone writing a Substack about the pros and cons of investing in Substack? Would subscribe.
Emma Gannon did. On my phone currently or I would link.
I can find it. I'm on my desktop. Thanks, Jen!
I think I read your comment too fast. Pretty sure she wrote enthusiastically PRO investing, not pro/con. 😂
It's OK. I was sorta joking, but also sorta curious to see if anyone was going to use this platform to cover this platform.
You know, after I posted I thought, “He was making a pun, wasn’t he?” 😂 My friends think I’m the gulliblist.
Can I ask whether or not you will post a business plan for this scale up, so that potential investors can review your expectations?
I love SubStack and very much enjoy writing here but wait to see how much you all as a Silicon Valley corporation continue to live up to your stated objectives. I am with you as long as you remain true to these. Keep the faith!
who are the largest shareholders currently involved? why is this always a secondary offering for people who may pour themselves in to their work without expecting anything in return only to see returns after certain rounds? what if i own mineral rights, want to create leverage with real things in my purview yet - seeing how “success” gets reported on before even the EXPERTS have sounded off on certain matters makes for a very conspiratorial argument to be made for those lesser informed yet more financially secure people who want to see returns other than quick. How about ethical considerations for those unhoused populations who have chosen to stop consuming? Or have we arrived at a place in our global society where what you have and what you can afford to give me are the measures by which we truly value others?
I have a question for the Substack team: Has the team considered a parallel pay-per-article approach?
There are many one off articles I would like to read, but I do not want to pay a subscription. But I would be willing to pay a small amount to read *just* that article. It would not affect my current paid subscriptions.
I like this: "Substack is a subscription network. We think subscription networks will play a major role in the internet’s next chapter. They represent a step forward from social networks."
Done! No explanations on ROI but happy to support this company for all they are doing to get journalism and writers back to a place where their work is good for our republic & the world as a whole.
Have you published your financials? If not, don't you think it would be a foolish for people to invest in your company without having basic financial information?
When we file our paperwork with the SEC (estimated in the next 1 - 2 weeks), we’ll publish two years of audited financial statements. If you place a reservation now, you’ll be asked to confirm it at that time – so you can make a final decision on whether to invest after you’ve seen those financial statements.
More info: https://wefunder.com/substack/
This comment should be "pinned"
That's good to know thanks!
Right, The idea is more like begging for alms, not an investment...
Substack is great and clean medium for sharing ideas without hate and ads. Thank you for that.
Sounds like a great offer for the top-tier. How much could one expect from a $100 'investment'? I'm laughing here ... smacks of a money grab. Frankly the entire lengthy article, sorry infomercial is a waste of my time to read. In fact the WHOLE THING is kind of insulting. Just MY OPINION mind you.
Thanks for the great opportunity but I shall invest that money elsewhere like closer to home.
I wrote an entire book about why you shouldn't invest in individual companies and embrace diversification.
BUT...
This might be the one exception I make to that rule, because I do love what Substack is doing for writers
Awesome. Love this. Just invested.
This is a brilliant idea! I would love to see Substack continue to grow, as it only benefits those of us who write on this platform and trust it to help bring our words to a wider audience.
Totally Yes! I have been looking for an avenue to invest in Substack. This is perfect.
We're in. Just made our investment bc we so strongly believe in this platform.
Invested and excited!
Impossible not to be part of this.
❤️
As a veteran of 'new media' since just about the beginning—I was at WIRED in '96 and in software before that, and ran my own company for many years until 2015—I see Substack as the best thing happening in media today. I'm in.
I agree with you the numbers are important but for me because I use the tool and see it's value I am willing to support their work by investing.
For an entry investment of 100$ the knowledge I have of Substack and the fact that as many writers I contribute through my writing, it is enough for me to consider investing.
I know other people would need a pitch deck of revenue. I presume it is an enquiry you could possibly have later in the investment process. As a first round for writers who use Substack, it is a good debut.
Hi Keva! Just wanted to confirm that when we file our paperwork with the SEC (estimated in the next 1 - 2 weeks), we’ll include two years of audited financial statements. If you place an investment reservation now, you’ll be asked to confirm it once filing is completed – so you can make a final decision on whether to invest after you’ve seen more information.
I had a hunch it was in the process. Great work to you all!
We just did :)
Thank you for this amazing platform, we are hoping to grow with you!
Sending you great gratitude and love
Rafaelles
Love this!!! Community Fundraising is the future!!
I’m so thankful Substack exists.
Brilliant initiative.
Not sure how this works but I’ll gladly give back some of what Substack has give me
$3.3m pledged so far, and ‘almost sold out’ apparently. So if you want to get in, do it quick… good luck team, I’m excited to follow your journey.
Oh yea, that is classic sense of immediacy ploy too. Really, guys... Lucy, are you being honest and sharing your position with the game? This makes me question the truth behind the Substack platform. I think you could get the support without such tactics.
Hey there TTHN. You are more than welcome to criticize Substack Inc and any and all parts of this community raise, but we're not ok with you being unkind to your fellow writers in the comments.
Substack is founded on the belief that writers and their work deserve respect. We ask that you keep conversations civil in the comments of this publication. Respect one other’s perspectives and life experiences in your conversations, and refrain from cruel or derogatory language. You can read more here: https://on.substack.com/p/community-guidelines
Please stop or further action will be taken.
I agree. And I agree folks have a right to invest in unproven financially unfounded companies. Not saying it is or it isn’t. Just better places to put one’s money.
this is truly awesome!
"The past couple decades of the internet have created a media system in which writing has been economically devalued and advertisers have been served above all others. These dynamics have led to an attention economy that coarsens public discourse, reduces trust, and strips readers of agency and writers of financial dignity. But while this internet-driven revolution has created a crisis for the media system, it has also brought opportunity."
Amen to this. I don't know if I'll invest or not, but I believe in this mission. And so far it's been true to my experience as a writer on Substack. I'm digging the SS community. I love the no-ads, the non-social media atmosphere, and the serious, generative writing on the platform.
Keep it up writers!
Michael Mohr
"Sincere American Writing"
https://michaelmohr.substack.com/
I absolutely love this idea. Congratulations!
Please keep this offer open for us that are wanting to be a part of Substack but at this moment in time it is not possible. Currently, all my extra money is going to a medical issue.
I agree with you that your organization is the next big thing.
Hold a place place for me.
Sincerely,
Joyce Marie Hand
Substack itself is the biggest media story of the past five years. I often write about subjects that are taboo for the mainstream press. I've been censored by Facebook. I shudder to think about what the last few years would have been like with no Substack. And, going forward, we are going to have to have an even bigger and better Substack. I'm considering making a small investment - or a "thank you" gratuity. Good luck and thanks for standing up for genuine free speech!
A sub-stacker should never be shy about plugging his own articles! Here's what I learned in my first six months. The trends are ... very good.
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/what-ive-learned-in-6-months-on-substack
This is a wonderful opportunity and something I wish Airbnb would have done a long time ago. A thought: It would be nice if you'd consider giving your writers equity. Many of us don't have extra cash on hand that we haven't allotted to grocery, medical, childcare and other bills. We're building the most vital piece of your product through our content, so having a stake would seem fair - and also incentivize us even further.
This has potential but you are going to run into serious problems. You mention that traditional funding tends to be based on the money someone has. You realize that the same is true of crowdfunding investments too right? The higher the income the more people can invest.
You also have the problem of being captured by your investors. You have people on the platform who are making more money and don’t necessarily have the platform’s values in mind. For instance, you featured someone who explicitly said that certain people shouldn’t be allowed on the platform. So what happens if that person invests in Substack and uses their higher wealth to pressure the company to remove people from the platform that “they don’t like”?
This is a terrible idea.
Their maximum investment is fairly limited
So they get 10 of their friends who have the same way of thinking together. Or 100. It’s not hard to see how this is going to go wrong.
They talk about social media, which is exactly what is going to bring them down.
Crowdfunding is a great option for this platform! And: for a moment I thought you were announcing Substack’s conversion to a co-operative. That would be next level 😎
Artists need more support and acknowledgement now, more than ever. Thanks for being a platform that supports freedom of speech, and the wizardry of penmanship!
Great idea. Definitely interested.
1) cool
2) sell me Casey Newton
Can we pls see some financials? Revenue, cash burn, etc.? It's unethical to solicit money from unsophisticated investors without providing some financial information, in my opinion.
I thought this is a great idea and it should not stop here. Beyond investing in Substack, some of us may just want to “tip” Substack for introducing a great feature. You might even want to build in feature to allow for such tipping. Medium integrated a tip-the-writer function. Perhaps we can have a similar function here for one-time tipping, so that writer can also create their own donation drive. Just an idea.
I'm new-new-new here and already so pleased with the platform and the escalating opportunities it's opening for me, starting with just committing to a regular writing habit in such an appealing way. Tiny subscriber list so far but then my local online newspaper approached and wants to pay me for the content I'm already writing here; and they're happy to help me link people back so maybe some more people subscribe - win-win.
$100 feels like how I reserved my Cybertruck a few years back, and Tesla solar tiles before that. Both of them I cancelled when the actual idea of purchasing these things became unrealistic for me. I think most people just forget to cancel such things and the money becomes something of an accidental investment.
Considering all the feedback here while I sit on my hundy for now (or rather buy eggs for my family). I'm happy to give back if I can, but I'm only just starting to "get." Is there a deadline for when this investment opportunity for the writers stops?
I love your platform and would love to continue its growth while staying true to its current beliefs. Congrats folks!
To me, this looks more like fundraising, not an investment.
Hamish, Chris and Jairaj,
I really enjoy Substack and would love to invest...but...I have one question I've asked the three of you a number of times and have yet to get an answer. It's a very important question, especially in light of the possibility that subscribers like me could become investors, so let me try again...
In light of the recent Twitter revelations, and the penchant for our government to seek information about on line users without bothering to obtain the necessary warrants, it occurred to me that Substack might very well be approached and asked (intimidated, coerced?) to provide the government with information about its users. I have asked the three of you on several occasions whether this has happened at Substack (without appropriate warrants, of course), and also, if it happens in the future, would you notify users in that event? I'm aware that other Substack users have asked the same question without a response.
It would be comforting, indeed, if the three of you would commit to resisting such intrusions in the first place, but acknowledging that our government can be quite persuasive, at least committing to advise your users if/when you are approached and what information you felt compelled to provide would go a long way towards mitigating such intrusions.
Again, I'm not talking about a legal warrant, but when it is strongly "suggested" that you give them what they ask and you feel it's in your "best interests" to do so, there should be nothing to keep you from telling us what's going on. Trust is a necessary ingredient in the search for truth, and your commitment to let us know when bad things happen would go a long way towards establishing and maintaining that trust.
What makes you think ANY forum could refuse to "cooperate"?
I guess I’m not so cynical…yet…to think that we Americans lack the courage to stand up to our government.
Anyone CAN refuse! If not Substack, who? If not now, when?
Do we have a legitimate government?
I cannot support Substack as a model unless they make all publications free with optional and variable financial support. Right now $50 is the minimum and even writers who want to take less are not allowed to do so. I've been able to privately support writers with lesser amounts. Who can afford $50 a pop? The Wealthy. It's an elitist model and as unegalitarian as it gets. We need a BBC model. I love Heather and she deserves her earnings but you can read her without paying if you wish. Others use a come-on taser model. Sucks!
So you want them to remove the ability for writers to earn money from their writing? That's the antithesis of what the platform is about. $50 is an annual sub and if you can't afford that you could just pay for a month (or a couple of months) to the amount you wish to pay the writer. Writers have chosen to offer paid subs because they want to make money- they can charge less by making the content free.
+1
The ideas that "everything should be free" comes up a lot on here. It's a digital writing version of crabs in a bucket. I don't get it.
I think they’re trying to create a premium bar and prevent a race to the bottom for pricing
HELP! The little button icon you click on to write a new post has disappeared from homepage. How do I get the icon back so I can create a new post?
Thank you!
I noticed this yesterday too. I had to use the web version to draft a new post and send out my newsletter today.
I appreciate this thought, but what about more tools for writers to give feedback and prioritize features too? This is a B2B business, right? I have design and UI issues and regularly don't have time to participate in live meetings etc. I'd like a place to communicate my concerns and upvote suggestions. Thanks.
All of our employees go to Office Hours to field writer feedback and ideas, and many features have been built out of those sessions. That's a great place to start! Or in the comments here as well.
I also have a list of feature requests but don’t see a way to submit them.
Hell no. You’re not a publicly traded company and people that are dumb enough to think they’re going to be like PE and VCs and generate wealth via direct blast solicitation are probably still smarting from them crypto losses.
Will $100 (or 10 times that, 100 times that) give investors access to Substack's accounting books? I doubt that.
Excellent point. My reply is “highly unlikely”
STOP - DO NOT INVEST IN THIS BROKEN MODEL!!!
Seriously if they are begging for money and VC bailed it means its a broken model. Think about it, how many regular people are paying per writer $5 to $10 per month? Not enough apparently and the next thing they will introduce is advertising which is 1million times worse. This monetization model is for elites, elite writers and elite readers who can afford to pay to "benefit" from their writing. Its not Twitter but its just as elitist as Twitter and will devolve into the same mess and control mechanism.
Go check out web3. Go check out crypto. Go check out the MVP of my solo hobbiest project "dplatform.me" The next platforms will be web3, crypto, micro-transactions, and governed by decentralized autonomous organizations (DAOs) or no one
The future is decentralized!
It has been many hours since I attempted to add a picture to the draft I was writing. The picture would not load. So I gave it a rest for an hour. I went back to check and the body of text that I had spent hours typing is gone. I then attempted to contact Substack to get some help. That was a waste of time, since you can not contact anyone at Substack for help. Very disappointed. I just now checked my draft again to see if there was a glitch and it was fixed, again, my body of text is gone! Now what? Do I start over? If I start typing again, will that text disappear also? Is there any way to get a hold of Substack for assistance? This platform needs ALOT of improvement if you can not get help when you need it. TOTALLY NOT HAPPY WITH SUBSTACK RIGHT NOW! Why would I want to own a piece of this platform with TERRIBLE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE!?!?!?!?
Check your Draft History, lower left in edit mode. It may be there.
Thank you! I did find 'draft history'. It just says, 'loading draft body'. for a long time. I think there is something wrong that it will not load.
Oh, I’m sorry. I wish I had an answer for you. Hoping someone else might know.
Yes, service for the writers and our marketing, publishing, and such over what ever they have spent doing other things for 3 yrs I have been on here, 3 million words published. NO marketing by site that I can tell except to pay for big names to come rather than promote the potential on site already, a slap to the members.
Possibly consider this idea. I do not want money for what I may write, but very much appreciate the effort it must take to create this sub-stack venue. Could there be a donate to sub-stack in lieu of subscription option, or something of that sort?
Go for the gold. I enjoy substack writers and only wish I had time to read more articles.
Worthy of due consideration!
The only long term (glitch) that should be considered is Government interest in this future endeavor (control) As you know it has been heavy handed on controlling speech. Especially in the USA.
All in all this is a great move.
"While social networks are associated with advertising and attention, subscription networks are about direct payments and trust." -- JAIRAJ, CHRIS, AND HAMISH
so the logical question is... can we TRUST you guys not to SELL substack?
I tried to fund my reservation using my rewards CC but the app doesn’t allow me to enter my CC number. Anyone?
It's $100 (+8$ fee) to call yourself an investor in a product you use (and get revenue from).
No need to overthink it. A 585 million valuation in tech is peanuts.
I’m using the revenue I’ve generated for the investment. 😭
I’m fine with it. I’ve spent more on less. I spend time every day drumming up ideas and composing work for this platform. I’m already invested.
Exactly!
And the $8 waived for first-time users of that website :)
I love Substack, believe in it, and want to invest but I don’t see any financials or other requisite info on Wefunder. Is there a data room? How can a Substack writer/fan get comfortable with understanding exactly what we would own? Substack is a great deal for writers but not clear to me how to rationally value this equity offering. Any guidance would be appreciated.
You’re not supposed to get comfortable. They’re appealing to people’s emotions and desire to make some money.
Hey there, Chris! This is on the Wefunder page, but here's more information for you re: our financial disclosure. When we file our paperwork with the SEC (estimated in the next 1 - 2 weeks), we’ll include two years of audited financial statements. If you place an investment reservation now, you’ll be asked to confirm it once filing is completed – so you can make a final decision on whether to invest after you’ve seen more information.
I believe in the solution and vision. I am in!
Are you going to offer any perks for writers who invest?
Maybe a green check? 🙃
Is their an outline of details on crowdfunding investors vs traditional? What happens to investment with future rounds, etc?
Sincere question: boilerplate says "No money or other consideration is being solicited. If sent, it will not be accepted." What is the Wefunder link for, then?
It’s merely an expression of interest.
Is there any sort of geographic restriction for investors?
With a few exceptions, investments can be accepted from international investors as long as you represent that you are complying with the law in your country. Here's a step-by-step guide on investing from outside the US: https://help.wefunder.com/154992-linked/international-investor-guide
The only exceptions are the Canadian provinces of Quebec, Ontario, and Alberta which have requested that Wefunder bar their residents from investing on Wefunder’s platform, as well as certain sanctioned countries: https://help.wefunder.com/legal/304306-can-i-invest-if-i-don-t-live-in-the-united-states
For accredited investors from one of those Canadian provinces, we’re looking into creating an opportunity to invest. You can email wefunder@substackinc.com to express your interest.
i wish i lived in Quebec, Ontario or Alberta. seems perhaps they have their citizens best interests in mind to PROTECT them from outsiders coming around to take money. . . i mean “offer investment.”
None of this is mandatory. The cautions and the risks are there in black and white. If I choose to invest, I do it willingly and with eyes wide open.
And, by the way, I wouldn't wish to live anywhere else. I'm a big girl now. I don't need a keeper.
Fair enough - one could argue that the market has spoken (and therefore the price makes sense), or perhaps that most people don't really care about the stock price and are essentially viewing this as a donation to Substack.
My main point is that if Substack is raising money from people who are buying this stock largely because they trust the company, then I think the company has a duty to price the stock fairly.
And at this point, it seems like they _really_ inflated this valuation. For example, I think it's sketchy to say something like "Under the terms of our Series B, our (pre-money) valuation is $585M." That was in 2021 when market conditions were absolutely ridiculous. It would have been much more honest and transparent to have said "our valuation _was_ $585M back in March 2021, and we acknowledge that market conditions have changed considerably since then, so here's how we're thinking about our valuation now..."
They also used a classic data manipulation technique to make their "money paid to writers" metric - the most important metric that's tied directly to revenues - appear to be growing faster than it actually is. They didn't simply chart their monthly "money paid to writers;" they showed a chart of _cumulative_ payments, meaning the chart would keep going up-and-to-the-right even if the company weren't growing at all.
That's sketchy and just plain wrong, especially if you do it with your customers and not sophisticated investors who could see right through it.
Clearly if the company is sold or merged/acquired at a lower valuation than the current one, then the investors will lose at least part of their money, but most may be willing to do so anyway to support the mission of the company. I wonder if it makes sense for Substack to become a non-profit, but probably their VC investors would prevent them from doing so, correct?
Sorry; I just have a PDF and am not sure if I'm supposed to share that particular report, but It's essentially the exact same results as what Goldman Sachs published in that report.
I understand! I think it's clear enough from the Goldman Sachs report. Thanks again!!
Not gonna lie, this has inspired me to keep on truckin' with my substack blog/newsletter. Even if barely anybody is currently reading it.
I believe in the business plan for Substack. Looks like good founders and significant venture capital investment. As a former venture capital investor, I am surprised at this “community funding” round when the company valuation is $650+ million.if the goal is to get more writers, etc. as shareholders, I think a special stock should be offered/considered--with special preferences. In any event, I’m a subscriber and wish the company--and my guy Paul Daugherty--success! Steve Gailar
As Substack writer with a newsletter focusing on investing this interests me a lot. Will the value Substack is pricing this offering at be published in advance including the financials?
I'm sadly disappointed, and honestly surprised, that you would do this.
Here's the thing - my guess is that most of the people who participate in this round will be people who simply love Substack. They think the company is great, they trust you, and they like the idea of supporting you while being owners in the company.
Most of the buyers probably _won't_ fully understand what a $585M pre-money valuation means, or how that relates to everything that would determine a company's valuation - it's revenues and revenue growth, gross margins, burn rate, etc.
If you were raising a round from professional investors who had billions of dollars and fully understood these concepts, I'd applaud you for raising at this valuation. But if you're selling stock to people who are largely doing it because they love you and trust you, then I think you have two options:
1) Make sure you're giving people a reasonably good deal, OR
2) Go to great lengths to educate people about the price they're paying
And in this case, I don't think you've done that. This is shady, and I'm deeply disappointed that you would do it.
Based on the charts you've provided, Substack is currently processing approximately $17-18M/month in payments, and the associated YoY growth rates have steadily declined to approximately 40-50%. At a 10% revenue take rate, your ARR is currently ~$20M/year.
For a company with revenues of $20M/year and 40-50% YoY growth, a $585M pre-money valuation means that you're pricing this at 30x your current ARR, or roughly 23x your next-twelve-months (NTM) revenue.
23x your NTM revenue!!!!!
Come on. Look at a chart of where software multiples are trending right now. Hyper-growth software companies with >40% YoY revenue growth _that are already public_ are trading at an average of 8.1x NTM revenues. You're pricing this at a valuation that made sense when interest rates were 0% and a confluence of other very unusual factors had pushed tech valuations into the stratosphere. It's unethical - blatantly wrong of you - to raise money at this valuation from people who generally would trust you to do right by them.
I have to ask: Why are you raising at this valuation? Is it because you've told all your employees that their stock should be valued using a $585M valuation (I can't imagine that argument holds water)? Is it because you want to signal a higher valuation to investors for a larger round (no investor would treat a crowdfunding round as a reliable indicator)? Or do you believe that your revenue growth will massively re-accelerate as we emerge from a post-COVID slowdown? If it's the latter, then I think it's right to price this round at _today's_ valuation and let all these investors who take the risk of joining you now have a fair share in that upside.
The idea of raising this round is great. What you all do for the world is great, and I love you for that. But the price of this round...that's just plain shady and I'm shocked that you would do it.
William, I try not to be too self-promotional, but I’m 100% with you on this. I’ve got a post coming out tomorrow at 9:30am CT that tackles all of this in my brutally satirical voice. No obligation to subscribe, but I really think you’ll dig my piece tomorrow.
Hi William, Could you give some examples of companies that are "Hyper-growth software companies with >40% YoY revenue growth _that are already public_ are trading at an average of 8.1x NTM revenues" ? Thank you for your time.
From Guggenheim's latest software valuation report for February 2023: "Growth buckets defined based on CY22 revenue growth rate. Hyper Growth Software (>40%) includes AMPL, ASAN, BILL, BRZE, CFLT, CRWD, DARK, DDOG, GTLB, HCP, IOT, MDB, MNDY, NET, OKTA, S, SNOW, ZI, ZS."
If one takes the median ratio between Enterprise Value and NTM Revenue for those companies, it was 8.1x in the most recent report (which uses valuations as of Jan 31, 2023).
Those valuation multiples are down approximately 83% from where they peaked in Nov 2021, and roughly 70-75% below the levels when Substack raised the Series B in Mar 2021, as many others have now pointed out. Note that The Information, in its Creator Economy Newsletter yesterday, said:
"Of course, Substack achieved that valuation in the anything-goes days of startup fundraising, which ended in late 2021 when interest rates started rising. Since then, as we all know, asset values have dropped across the board." "Substack certainly deserves an award for fundraising chutzpah."
My main point is that it's fine to have chutzpah when you're negotiating against a sophisticated, well-capitalized investor like Andreesen Horowitz, but not when you're raising money from friends, family, or your own customers.
Thank you William! I appreciate you taking the time to explain the economic situation better.
I found this article from Goldman Sachs Asset Management (July 2022) that states,
"Hyper- growth software companies have seen their valuations decline by three-quarters from their November highs to the end of June 2022, to an average valuation of 8.0x next-twelve-month revenues. This is below the range seen in 2015-2020."
https://www.gsam.com/content/dam/gsam/pdfs/common/en/public/articles/2022/Growth-Equity-Recent-Dispersion-in-Growth-Equity.pdf?sa=n&rd=n
Can you share a link to the Guggenheim February 2023 software valuation report?
Datadog might be a reasonably good comparison: Q4 2022 revenue was $469.4M, up 44% YoY. This puts their revenue run rate at ~$1.9B, and their NTM revenue at roughly $2.2B.
As of this morning, they're trading at a $22B valuation, or roughly 10x NTM revenues.
If Substack had priced this round at 10x, fine. 23x though...that really doesn't seem right to me.
Even is Substack’s valuation is 75% lower, does it matter if there are enough investors who are willing to buy into the company? Are people investing now at risk for losing their money if the Substack community support is so high that the company can raise 5 million+ off of them? In other words, if there are enough buyers, does the lower valuation really make any difference? Does it really mean that people will lose their money in the case of an IPO or merger/acquisition?
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I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not familiar with Substack. Not sure if my blog is growing or how to grow it. I think it’s purely up to me to find new readers? But one thing I feel strongly about is not to invest in this. I was a bit shocked that the management was milking its writers to do so. It’s hard enough stock picking and getting growth but this model is not a money maker. It’s not gold dust. I strongly advise against doing but on the other hand, I strongly encourage everyone reading this to subscribe to my blog, lol. I promise you chuckles and thought-provoking ideas on how we might over come our societal split brought on by those hidden forces that want us divided and conquered. I have begun to periodically publish satires from my book, “Donald’s Vanity Tantrums.” And I would like to know how I can pin myself, lol.
Personally,when evaluating the attractiveness of this investment , particularly startup( for those who can afford and not risk averse), it's important to consider its revenue model. This involves understanding what's in it for both writers and readers, as well as the startup's unique value proposition. My understanding is that Substack is like a hybrid between a magazine and newspaper, focusing on subject matters while also covering a wide range of topics, granted it supports also multi modal article. The current subscription model is expensive for readers to deeply or fully engage with many stacks.
Subscription revenue is the primary source of income for Substack, so it's crucial to emphasise its unique value proposition for readers. One possible subscription model is to allow subscribers to read everything in a magazine stack, similar to Medium's payment structure. In this adapted model, for example, writers are paid based on the amount of time readers spend on their newsletter. Subscription funds can be allocated using a 20-80 rule, where 20% is split equally among all readings of at least X seconds upon opening, and 80% is distributed based on the amount of time spent reading.
However, it's important to keep in mind that some readers prefer variety over locking into one genre of material. In this case, a newspaper-style subscription model may be more appropriate, allowing readers to choose one or two subscriptions per magazine group. To enhance this model, the notion of tokens or additional credits could be introduced for those with more time and a bigger reading appetite.
The challenge lies in bringing all these ideas together in a consistent, flexible, and implementable manner. However, with further deliberation and analysis, I believe it is possible to create a subscription model that is both fair to writers and attractive to readers.
In short, I would place emphasis on the revenue model, unique value proposition, and what's in it for both writers and readers. It is also helpful to have a successful working model made transparent with emphasis on catering to readers' preferences, offering flexible paid subscriptions, ensuring fair compensation for writers, and providing sustainable financial support for Substack.
My 2 cents based on what I know from my short stint on substack.
I love SubStacks’ Mission to “Building a new economic engine for culture.”
You’ve nailed it. As a professional writer, musician/artist - what was promised initially by MySpace, Facebook. YouTube and Twitter i.e. the ability to build, capture and leverage likes, friends, audience - community was Expropriated by their manipulated algorithms. I dropped out.
Thank you for providing me a way connect directly with my tribe that enhances my curated email list. Looking forward to growing with you. ~ PamMarkHall
In a world full of cat-haters, I don't have a hundred bucks. But the second I do, it's going straight to kitty litter and canned cat food.
Intresting,but if you from Kyrgizstan you can not make an investment, because you have not bank preset in the payment options.😐
Excellent Idea on fundraising!
Speaking of which, I noticed that I hadn't yet received a notice to pay my dues for the year. Was that just a one time thing? Surely that must be wrong. I'd happily pay $50/year for my membership.
I am considering switching my Ghost website to Subtsack. Originally, I chose Ghost because they are open-source, carbon-neutral, and more customizable; however, I have been subscribed to the Substack newsletter for the past few months, and it's clear that you have a much stronger sense of community and more ways to support new and independent writers. I've also invested.
I read "Move your publication from Ghost to Substack." It seems straightforward. However, my website, www.withoutborders.fyi, has seven pages (Home - About - Podcast - Travel Series - Stories & Essays - Language Learning - Contact us). Does Substack support this? I noticed some Substack newsletters like The Empire of the Tiny Onion also have many pages, but I once tried Substack to test it out, and I struggled to organize the pages as I had them on Ghost.
Does anyone have any additional advice for switching over?
I lost 6,000 subs switching from Mail Chimp. reach and frequency but the requirement to sign up to read and only subscribe to single authors not group your subscription and 45% fees with Stripe as their only payment system. Consider that too.
I’d love to invest ... webfunder says don’t have to fund account to reserve investment but yet won’t let me proceed or serve until I agree to let them fund account ... so I’m out for now. I’d love to now when goes public and will invest then.
Great Idea folks! I'm seriously thinking about it...,I'm just a little occupied today, but I will consider investing in Substack after I weigh the risks involved when I have more time tomorrow and Thursday.
What do "investors" stand to gain, in tangible terms? I haven't found projections or concrete plans. Unless I've missed these things
Another economic model? Based on the same faulty principles and a dog-eat-dog neoliberal playground? No thanks. Culture, engine and economics sounds all wrong together. Ask if we serve the culture or the other way around?
This is amazing! 👏
It's hard to understand exactly WHAT you are selling since your writer support is nonexistent. It used to be there, then it was sort of, now it is lost in the translation of whatever it is that Substack has become.
Another way of seeing this might entertain the far fetched idea that Substack IS the writers and that you three clowns aren't really a part of what it is WE are creating. In not supporting your writers you cease to exist.
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wefunder doesn't seem to work here in India
Tried to invest 3 times. Couldn't. End of trying.
I’m in
Substack, there is no way to get a hold of anyone to assist with a problem. There is something wrong with my blog. Earlier I tried to put a photo in a draft I was typing and it would not work. Just now I went back to the draft to finish it and the body of text is gone. I have been looking all over for a way to contact substack to ask about this issue. There is no way to contact Substack, not even a place to send an e mail. So I thought I would comment on this post. Very frustrating to not have a way to contact substack.
Did you try going into Draft History to find your missing text? It’s been a lifesaver for me a few times.
Thank you for replying. I do not know where 'draft history' is located.
I write my Substack drafts on my laptop so I can only tell you what it looks like there, but if you’re in your draft, there are two round buttons at bottom left. The farthest left button holds all of your saved drafts. You’ll see a timed list. Click on an earlier one to see if your work is there. Good luck!
Thank you again for responding. I am on a lap top also. I did find the 'draft history' but the draft will not load. I tried clicking on other times also and it does nothing. As if it is stuck. Thank you, I appreciate your suggestions and help. I really need to talk to someone at Substack, but there is now way to get a hold of them.
You’re welcome. Did you try writing them at support@substack.com? Sometimes they’re swamped and it may take a while but they’ve always been very helpful.
No, I did not know what e mail to send the question to. Thank you for giving me this e mail. I just sent them a e mail explaining the problem.
Great! I hope they can help you.
I’m interested. However, I’d like to see the product roadmap, among a few other things, first. Is that possible?
Really? I can’t imagine this being a good move. If you want us to “own a piece of the company,” then why not offer up shares in stock?
Ironic... or should I say "synchronistic" that I wrote an article on "Unfair Advantages" and that's called out in this post. Substack is definitely using their unfair advantages and I'm glad to be along for the ride!
Post on Unfair Advantage: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/how-to-develop-your-unfair-advantage
Well the first 2 lines is a catchy phrase and without much consideration people might buy into it but in the future might be a big thing and mostly for those who participated... Well I don’t know how it’s going to turn out but I hope Substack explains how investors own a piece of the company, I’m sure there would pros and cons to the idea so writers should read the agreements and ask for clarity if confused.
They already talked about not joining the investment train if one is not ready to risk, so I’m sure there’s likely going to be no returns now or in the next future and this might favor a certain amount of people. Remember Substack owns Substack and you just own a piece, the one who brings the idea is the one who profits the most!
Great idea!
We need this now more than ever, and I appreciate the concern about all, as yet, unaccredited writers. When I can, I hope to be able. Thanks fir the opportunity.
should've done a coin
Interesting times
Let’s hoist them on their own petards. An equalizer so to speak. An engaged and informed public can move mountains
As a loyal pay pig, I will ask my wife how much she is comfortable with me investing but I love this place. Makes me feel like the internet circa 2007, before people were performing for each other and just being weird and authentic.
Also, may I please ask that one of you read this and think on how it might fit in with your broader product vision? I come here because I expect people to be honest but there levels and opportunities beyond what you provide right now that could really move the dial on the whole culture.
https://extelligence.substack.com/p/how-to-fix-the-news
I’m a process owner at a top 4 bank if it matters for credibility. Know I’m an odd guy and like jokes but I’m confident that this would work.
After 3 years of publishing more than 3 million words, pictures, and articles on sustainable import and toxin-free ways to create tiny homes, intentional communities, permaculture villages or homesteads, and politics as it relates to our freedoms to do such things, I am sorely disappointed that more progress has not been made on this platform and perhaps due to these constraints you address, you will do better. One of my biggest complaints is the cost to use this platform as you pay only through Stripe and the return to the writer, artist, contributor that makes this possible is diluted, siphoned off in giant chunks to net $43 on $80 paid by the subscriber. I find that money could go to build a better platform if you were not taking that 13% chunk out here and there that adds up to profits for someone other than your supporters. The issue with censoring and not endorsing some of your writers like myself, once getting tagged for using the term "no 4-letter words" in a title that was about how nice it was to not get 4-letter words in an unsubscribe notice. I lost 6,000 subscribers when I switched from MailChimp to the Substack platform, many in other countries around the world where my following once reached. These are important issues if you are to grow and not sell out, to thrive and not just survive the fallouts ahead.
I love the idea!
Alberta residents are barred
Ontario and Quebec too, sadly! I tried to invest in another wefunder project and found that one out. Wonder what regs are making that the case?
As I just yesterday changed my email options, because you email FAR TOO MUCH, and you are here in my inbox AGAIN, no.
Unsubscribe.
I want to invest (more than 100) only if I officially represent Substack in Europe, through a branch In Rome. I am serious. Just let me know.
I will certainly consider this. Thank you.
Own of substack and succeeding together❤❤💛💚👀😛🧠
I tried but got an error message. :-( I'll try again later.
Not a bad idea and I admire the honesty about the possibility of investors not making their money back.
In other news, Do tell, can writers get paid from free subs or only through paid subscriptions?
Honesty is required by law. Transparency and supporting the writers already contributing is not assured with the investment. Can be spent on superstars being paid to come write here as has been proven.
You're correct.
o.O
I am suppose to be able to receive subscription money, but I have received one subscription. What is wrong with my y Substack account? Steve
It took me two months to figure that out with Stripe and Substack both putting it off on the other to solve. turned out I created to payout accounts by mistake. Not a very good help department for either corp.
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Is anyone else using DUCK DUCK GO as your search engine? Are you using CHROME as your browser? I can not use my substack, having issues with uploading a picture and it saving the text I have typed. Substack help had told me it is because of Duck Duck Go and Chrome.. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Assalam o alaikum I am new help please
If they have to misrepresent the situation to raise capital from those not used to analyzing potential of a corporation or their management mistakes that can take it down. The management can get rich without servicing the writers or subscribers needs, like notifying them before hitting them with renewals on subscriptions or multiple billings when your system glitches as it has done to my paid subs and caused me to lose subs, causing them stress and distress. NO RESPONSE from substack to add a simple notification to the program. Why not? To busy looking for other writers to pay to come to Substack. No one in the admin has addressed either the high pay to the top guys or the failure to address serious issues that are causing this platform to fail like a Netscape, or other early version of a platform left in the dust by leaders to self absorbed, ego centric, or drugged out to do the job after they get a taste of success. What is the problem here?
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I see. Any logic to the person or pinned focal point? Why not one on the many things that you could do to make this better based on the statistics and data you have in hand well before making this very optimistic forecast of growth that I do not see as a long term writer and contributors, i dare say one of the most prolific if Grammerly is any indicator on the average writer's output. I wonder at the platforms veracity in such a time that honesty is essential if you want to earn my trust. Why so much obscurity, marketing without materials to prove out your prognostications that would not be legal to use in a proper offering of stock based on facts, not just dreams. I have big dreams too, but I spend time, money, and a great deal of effort to write and get the information out for others to improve their lives. Your organization seems to ignore your writers who do make monumental efforts to support you and get attention to the platform. Wii, all the "I"s that are writing, drawing cartoons, making videos, yes wii are your product and best customers considering many of us are subscribing to other writers works to support them. You, not paying attention to that statistic to find the fact is, wii are also the reason you exist because I bet, if you check, Wii are also the best paid subscribers. If wii subscribe to two other authors, wii are your biggest income source, taking money from us on both ends but paying others to come write rather than promoting us better. How is that a good thing and why not address it and how you will fix it to convince us to give you more money, for time is money and this takes time. Why do you, that admin, not pay attention to that rather than forget wii exist and hunt outside talent rather than promote your supporters? Why do you fail to address this insult to us, your writers that could have used that money spent better than on the execs and outside talent that thought you were not worth their time until you paid them to pretend this is a great platform and to mimic them by coming here too rather than offer proof of your success helping those of us who supported you first, most, and put more product on your site that you could have paid for at a dollar a paragraph or article, post, in other words, our product. Why do you keep ignoring the question?
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I am not sure the pinned element has a life, or that anyone else can pin above or past it, thus it is really an ad banner for all to read predicating the perspective in advance of learning what else of importance might be in the comments below. Given few read far, this will suffice with a few more pins to lead one to conclude all is rosey in Substack land. Please, address some of us heavy hitting contributors and our concerns about service, help, addressing flaws, and an amazing lack of marketing to get more paid subscriptions in a format that lets more writers benefit. Single subscriptions are too expensive for the average person but a quarter a read would be fine and thus a partial read good if that is what they want. Anyone they read gets a tip that way.
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Is the funding closed?
This community round has resulted in my losing access to my credit card and the bank has blocked the transaction with Wefunder. I'm getting a new credit card in the mail and I've had to change all my passwords and everything. Just so that you all know.
This is truly a great company and community
So the goal is to essentially build a business to be sold correct, either to another investment group or via an IPO-type scenario where making money for the shareholder is the driver? I really would love to invest in a company with your mission that isn't ultimately driven by this model. Creatives have spent a lot of resources (cash and otherwise) trying to invest in communities built around technology, only to be at the mercy of the VC model of investiture. If the end game is the money payout and not the sustainability of a community, I think some of us will be slightly (or extremely) more wealthy in our bank accounts, but empty of sustained relationships and community, which is what this world actually needs to survive. I don't know if there is another way, but I want to invest something that will build and sustain real community, not give me a fraction of your paycheck when you decide to get out. Best of luck, and if you find another way, I will look forward to supporting that.
Do you have a commitment not to sell to a big corporation? Are you planning to go public at some point? Those are some concerns I have. The other concern I have about Substack is that the unbundling of writers from publications can only go on for a while, hit a limit, and then there must be some kind of "rebundling." Obviously for readers, it makes more sense to pay for something like The NY Times or New Yorker where you have access to dozens of regular writers for one subscription fee. Substack seems to be pushing ever-further toward this unbundling, but I see this as also problematic (even as I am currently benefiting from Substack and feel a lot of gratitude for it) and believe it will hit a limit. I am curious if you have thought about how a "rebundling" might occur? I would love to hear any thoughts you have on these areas... it will influence my decision to invest something. Thank you! - D
To provide some context, I started a web magazine that was an early influencer in the new psychedelic space, Reality Sandwich. At some point, after I left the parent company, Reality Sandwich was "de-accessioned" to another company, which is far more commercial and banal. They have refused to allow writers to withdraw their material from RS archives - even though it was our policy, for many years, that authors have full control over their work (we didn't pay for articles, it was all done on good faith and trust). While I don't think anything like that would happen here, we see, often, that initially mission-driven or idealist enterprises get engulfed by Capitalist imperatives, and I wonder if you have thought about this and devised any safeguards against it?
Just invested. Thank you, Substack, for the opportunity, and best of luck!
This is only available to American investors? What about us Canadians?
I tried to invest but it wouldn't allow me to citing my region wasn't supported? I'm suspecting this is for US investors only? Let me know when international investments are allowed :)
Would be fantastic if I had the money. To compete with blogs, you must be at least as good as the blog providers. I have extensive experience in the field so I wrote a few words which might be helpful
https://angelovalidiya.substack.com/p/pros-and-cons-of-substack. You can give me an investment package in exchange for it.
Doesnt serm to work from Australia. We do t use Routing numbers but swift. No.options. Wasted 15 min.
I write for my company and I've been loving substack so far.
One quick suggestion tho, maybe you can offer multiple pricing tiers (like what ghost did). Flexibility of pricing tiers will attract hundreds of thousands of small-mid businesses to monetize their assets on substack. With only free/paid (founding membership is not a pricing tier), it's kinda hard to customize the contents based on readers' budget and preference. I'd think small business/individual entrepreneurs might consider migrating to a different platforms with flexible pricing tiers once they get big.
Also, work with open ai or google or whatever company to get plugins supported. I believe in the future creators will be more heavily relied on AI assistance. (Think Notion AI).
Plz consider this 👀👀👀 It's additional revenue for your team and you'll get my $100 if your team embraces those visions
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I am completely sick of the idea of monetization.
GOOD STUFF SUBSTACK! Proud to be a writer here on the platform & definitely considering contributing to this platform's future.
Keep it up to everyone, from the team to the contributors to the readers!
How long will the option to invest stay open? The multimedia aspect of the platform is (I’ve said it before) a dream come true. A way to communicate with word, audio and video with subscriptions is where the future is headed for the growing mass of content creators of all levels. The tech continues to evolve and humans are more willing to put their talent and skill in the game, regardless of AI fears. I believe in Substack and wish I had the cash right now. ROI risk is not a concern. It’s a tough economy at this time and a film festival that is in my way. So how long do we have?
Very pleased to see how your organisation is making a positive difference. Here's to further successes!
Wow! Good for you Substack!
Mind officially blown -- in a perfect way.
I would not mind owning a piece of Substack
I want to be part of this. My That’s Good To know blog has brought me much joy. Thanks!
What was the source of the initial investment that made Substack possible?
You can read all about the company history and past investments here: https://wefunder.com/substack
I am wondering about the source of the first capital that made Substack possible.
What RayRayRay said!
Most of you don’t realize that if substack is trying to raise $2M by appealing to its writers, that they can’t get the money elsewhere due to the current lack of interest in tech investment and their staying as a going concern is in question.
Hey, I’d rather it be more esop than Icahn
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This ship is running aground financially whether it’s ESOP, Warren Buffett or whatever else you want to call it.
Could I suggest that Substack charge authors some nominal fee for this service? Charging any fee at all would weed out tons of people who will never generate any income for Substack. Charging any fee would raise the overall content quality of the network. Charging any fee would lower your support burden. If you could at least break even on every publisher account that would seem to help stabilize your balance sheet.
Free is great for those who aren't serious, but for those you are counting on to fund your operation it's concerning.
Medium charges a monthly fee and there is tons of chaff. I think some people would drop off after becoming inactive but if it’s a couple bucks, you might still have a lot of cobwebbed Substacks.
Good point, you're right. There are junk blogs all over the net on traditional pay per month hosting.
The goal I had in mind was that Substack should at least break even on each publisher so that the growth of the network would be sustainable. Better yet they should make a small profit on each blogger so that they can invest in improvements.
I suppose it’s hard to know the best way to stay affloat in this business. You can charge monthly, take subscription slices, host ads… it seems to me that in order to grow, they have to change their model. What would be a better way considering all they’ve done so far? What improvements would you want to see?
I'm very happy Substack is not an ad supported environment, that's a huge improvement over the norm, imho.
I don't object to free accounts philosophically, I'm just wondering if that's sustainable. You know, Substack isn't just free, it's a quality service. So the growth might be spectacular, but few of the bloggers who join will ever make any money for Substack. That's not a Substack problem, that's just the reality of trying to make a living publishing anything anywhere. It's hard, and most folks can't cut it.
I've been working online just short of 30 years and have designed my own blogging platform from scratch, and based on that I'd say that overall Substack has done a great job. As to improvements, I'd like to see Substack partner with Statcounter.com so that the accounts here would have real web stats. Why reinvent that wheel?
Great idea! I use Statcounter for another blog and it has real value.
This sounds like a bit of desperation to me. If anyone here is generating revenue via Substack, you may want to start thinking of a “Plan B”.
Hello everyone. Anyone interested in acquiring $300 worth of Substack shares I got in 2023 on Wefunder? 11.41 shares estimated at $26.28 according to the platform, on 02/06/2025.
Write me at marcelosarava@gmail.com
Massively grateful Substack writer here! I’m exploring the idea of crowdfunding for my company, Modulo, in tandem with our pre-seed round, and I was curious about your experience using Wefunder.
I’m fairly experienced with angel and pre-seed fundraising, but I’ve never tried crowdfunding before. I’d love to hear any thoughts on how Wefunder worked for you and the crowdfunding process in general. Was it what you expected? Anything you wish you’d known going in?
Thanks so much in advance for sharing any insights—it’s exciting (and a little daunting) to consider opening up this next phase of Modulo’s growth to a broader community.
How do Substack investors (Wefunder) get an updates or information on the status of the company/investment? Annual report? Audited financials? ANYTHING?
Hey! Is there an update on this? I invested but have received no updates on anything since?
Are there any plans to open another community round?
It's been more than year of making an investment . . . any news on this?
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Well Tiny,
Seven years is nothing when one is building something to last a lifetime. Plus, making a lot of money isn't what everything is about. Haven't you learned a lot through the years reading all these great articles from these amazing people? I have benefited so much and I believe everyone has. Long term investments are like this. I guess that's why it is called long term. Give it time.
Bless you!
I’m hype about this!!!
Curious... How much do y'all think I'll end up making if I invest $100 in this round?
(Make your best guess and we'll check back here in 2033 and see who got it right...)
Happy and proud to collaborate - and to be a part of this amazing community.
It's an idea, but with the problems that my account has been having, in terms of attaching youtube videos, gifs, etc, in the Dragts where I've been working, I'm very reluctant to develop your idea in my thinking.
I would LOVE TO INVEST.. and I am invested in the Stock Market.. BUT HOWEVER since I am also a computer geek: and like I just commented about A.I. there is NOTHING on the internet unless it is encrypted "DELIBERATELY".. and this is not an encrypted website even with the the HTTPS.. so.. I wish you well. I got the page where it said DOB and full Social Security number.. and that is where I have to draw the line. It would take much for anyone w/ a little skill to hack the investor page and gather up all kinds of interesting information like Net worth, income, Social security number; home address.. etc.. so anyway GOOD LUCK... :) and I will continue to write on Substack.. :) KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.. Isabell
or Science is Political.. and so is investing..
Can you invest if you live in Canada?
Would love to support, but Wefunder tells me investments outside USA cannot be supported (unless it’s just Canada that they do not support?) A bit disappointing tbh, but I was still happy to see so much community engagement in the platform.
Nah, fuck off.
I'm very excited to be a new member and investor in Substack! Thank you for the opportunity and for creating a great platform!
It's no secret that much social media has "community standards," just censorship in so many words, often to dubious ends (e.g. gags on even legtimate speech, as "The Twitter Files" has shown). It's no secret that many professional journalists were banished from other media set up shop here. As such, Substack offers a rare degree of freedom of speech for content creators.
Now, for all I know, perhaps there already is an official policy to this effect. Is it possible for Substack to offer some iron-clad guarantee to not muzzle the 1st Amendment right of content creators? I realize that some limitations will exist, but those should only be the ones required (note I didn't say "allowed") by existing laws. To cite some incendiary examples, I'd be curious to know if there will be (or for the matter, already is) any muzzle placed upon those who (say) advocate antisemitism, or so-called "hate speech", espouse unpopular political, religous or soical views (again, with certain exceptions, like advocating violence which is usually already illegal activity) In other words, are there, or will there be any limitation upon what would be permissible free speech if it was being said on the soap box on a street corner? I f a strong protection of personal expression can be placed in writing, can it be binding upon future management or owners? Not easilyh modified or revoked jsut because the whims of the owners change? If the answer to any of those is "no," then I suspect that Substack's future is rather grim, as it's subject to being no different than any other major gagged platform. In that case, I doubt I'll want to invest in it.
As an existing reader and writer on Substack, I would be interested in becoming an investor, even on a small scale.
Sad that I have 5% of the comments on here and yet the admin has not answered a single question and instead, my newsletter posts seem to have run into a rare glitch to reduce being seen or letting me know the results for a day. What is the real intention of this string of words that seems to be leaning to promote a skyhigh value in a company that has no evidence it is trying to do what it needs to to be the star in the darkness. Are you all so busy that no one can attend to this page by the minute, to be sure the questions are addressed well thus convincing us to make this contribution to a platform wii have invested heavily in already and want to see succeed. Your approach is doing anything but convincing us you want us to get a special deal and that you are making changes, what ever they are that you are not sharing in advance, to make this platform work better rather than being another classic case of the being the first guys out of the box with a great idea and then trashing it, like GoPro, Wiwork, or other forgettable names.
In the spirit of “fuck around and find out.” I’m excited to invest and see what happens.
Gah. That should be a COMMA not a period! I'm so embarrassed. LOL
https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/28/23660473/substack-retail-investors-revenue-profit
Substack are pushing the needle and putting control in the hands of the people, gotta respect that.
Great idea and one that will surely disrupt the industry :)
It appears there is a censoring of the commentary. No sense in saying much then as the truth does not seem to stick here. pity.
Yes, address the needs and concerns of the many writers who are clearly not just ignored but in spite of prolific contributions, unrecognized. If the Substack managers think paying for a name when so many are already here doing good work, that the owners think they need to pay others is absurd and shows they do not respect our contributions, lest they would promote them more instead and tell followers why paid subs need to be sought with that money instead of them paying other writers to come here and us pay them to do it and write, draw, make music, and videos for free like we did to build FB nd Youtube only to be censored, demonetized, or even kicked off later. No guarantees here at all.
Fads for investing happen every year. I sold the pet hermit crabs across America the year after the Pet Rock. Millions of people bought in and cared for crabs for years. Just because people like things does not make them a good idea that will be worth investing in for the long run. True, if you like it, buy it but do not expect a return. That is all they are saying too. NO GUARANTEES they will make this a successful platform and fix these issues they have now.
This gives me the heebee jeebees as a 3 year long contributor to this platform, sometimes up to 100,000 words and pictures galore a week. The support and pay out costs have been horrendous and I am not happy with much of the results as I lost over 6,000 paid subscribers from around the world when switching to here from MailChimp after many years to make some money, or the hope of doing so. The lack of support, recognition, and watching Substack spend money for other writers without fully recognizing and helping others who are already supplying the fodder for your cannons. Will this just be like FB and Youtube one day. Sell out to corporate like Rumble? This worries me and I will begin the search for other platforms to grow on in light of this attempt to extract money, more than our time, talent and product given to you to grow this platform with, yet you spend it as if it were your energy and time spent to create the product people come to your platform to see. If wii, the many "I"s that create the foundation and value in your platform are not contributing and getting a return now, how will giving your our money help other than to see you spend it on other writers or foolish salaries for the guys at the top with the big piles of stock? Perhaps wii, the ones who have done the work to support your platform, wii are the suckers you plan to make the millions on and also pay you to make it off us now too. Not the greatest marketing strategy unless you perform in a way then instills our faith in your appreciation for what wii are doing for your company to make it worth investing in to begin with. After three years and no recognition or support, no signs of your helping market my work or get book deals, I think you are missing out on the ways to make this better. What are you doing instead?
Wefunder is banned for residents of Ontario, Alberta, or Quebec -- if that’s you, then it’s likely why.
No problem. All the best to you!
Get Nicole, thanks for the feedback. Here is some more context:
We’re not able to make lots of future projections, but we have big ambitions for the company. We are working on a new economic engine for culture. We think the best way to achieve that is to build a successful independent company, which could involve going public one day, but for now we are focused on building.
Right now our (pre-money) valuation is $585M. If we have a successful exit in the future (like an IPO, merger, or acquisition) for more than that amount, you’ll see a return on your investment. Since we’re selling the same class of stock we sold to VCs in our Series B, you’ll get paid out at the same time that they do.
I'm trying not to be a hater with respect to this, but Nicole you're asking all the right questions and pointing out all the potential issues. I'm having a hard time believing anybody will be buying in at the same terms, with the same rights, with the same voting power, as the initial Series B investors. That may be the case, but why not just come out and say that? I'm very skeptical of whatever fine print will be attached to the final terms.
All that said, if this truly is a way for writers to become shareholders, it's a great idea and something I support. Nothing about the way this is being presented gives me that confidence, however.