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Wayne Robins's avatar

This is supposed to be a site supporting writers, not market speculators, gamblers, false prophets and snake-oil sales persons. (I'd put an emoji here, but emojis don't seem to be "embedded.")

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Michael Stutz's avatar

I speculate that before even the main search box is fixed (posts from most accounts opened within the past year STILL aren't indexed) and other top fixes that support writers will come (1) ads and (2) targeted selling of your profile

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SolarxPvP's avatar

If these market speculator people are so unreliable and writers are better, than it should be easy for them to prove it by placing bets on these markets. Political pundits should be more accurate predictors and make more money off these sites if that's the case. If they're just snake oil, it should be easy.

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sol s⊙therland 🔸's avatar

Sorry Wayne, money follow the incentives.

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Wayne Robins's avatar

You think you know something. Don’t overestimate yourself, nor sidestep the premise.

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sol s⊙therland 🔸's avatar

I don't know anything, Mr. Wayne.

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Jeff Matlow's avatar

It's nice, but of all the things I wish Substack would do, this is not in my Top 25

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Wayne Robins's avatar

Not in my top 2,500.

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Jeff Matlow's avatar

Yeah, I was trying to be nice

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Robert C. Gilbert's avatar

I would never even cross my mind for Substack to do this - the online gambling grift seems well covered and pervasive.

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Barbara at Projectkin's avatar

Yes and... where are simple tables? Tables, just tables. Why do I have to create these offline and bring them in as goofy images.

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Mike Fay's avatar

COSIGN

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Barbara at Projectkin's avatar

Mike, Can you be more specific please? Is there some software named “COSIGN” that's useful for adding tables? What am I missing here? I've seen writeups about using Markdown, but most seem to be dated from a few years ago. I wasn't able to make that work. Thank you!

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sol s⊙therland 🔸's avatar

Jeff, why do you think Substack is heading in this direction?

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Jeff Matlow's avatar

I don’t know. I don’t follow the details of Substack enough to understand their strategy. I’m just a writer who wants to use whatever the platform where most readers can view my writing.

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Shaza's avatar

Exactly.... I mean if I have to run away from Corporate Lizards only to be eaten by a thing that first looked like a butterfly which now stings as well.

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sol s⊙therland 🔸's avatar

Fair enough.

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Umoren Covenant Ukpong's avatar

Like wise me

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Victor Vasile's avatar

What is your Top 25? Or Top 5? Genuine question.

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Jeff Matlow's avatar

1. Integrations

2. Email workflows

3. Triggers (if this, then that)

4. Expand ability to describe subscription offerings

5. Advertising / sponsorship network

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Victor Vasile's avatar

I don't know what 1 and 2 are about.

Yes, 3 and 5 would be nice, totally.

IMHO 5 would be somehow against the core Substack philosophy about no advertising.

Anyway, I tried today to embed a Polymarket bet in a page (100% relevant in context, was about Romanian presidential elections) but it seems to work no more. So, crisis solved. 🙃

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SolarxPvP's avatar

To add to my previous comment, we need to normalize making more accurate political predictions.

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SolarxPvP's avatar

No, it's a fantastic addition. Betting markets hold people accountable to their beliefs, and therefore they're more accurate than people's individual predictions.

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Kimberly Carter's avatar

This is the first time that I gleefully clicked on a Substack email thinking I was going to gain something sound and wise to enhance my newsletter only to find that I now need to take a shower to wash the oil off.

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Gastroillogica's avatar

THIS

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Torch Songs's avatar

This was me when the Video Cohort of curated content creators with pre-existing robust social followings were trotted out as the examples we can and should follow.

But yeah, pass the loofah.

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Kimberly Carter's avatar

I am so glad that I missed this. Ugh!

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Erica Jones's avatar

Omg! Yes!

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sol s⊙therland 🔸's avatar

This comment will not change anything.

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Jacquelyn Suter's avatar

Sol, if our comments will not change anything, then maybe SS shouldn't be surprised if: 1) they go of business because not making enough revenue that suits them, 2) another SS-like platform comes along that caters truly to 'good writing' (and figures out how to financially do this), or 3) current SS writers get tired of having a great-idea so mismanaged and unappreciated.

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Kimberly Carter's avatar

This! Because I might not be heard has never been the thing that kept me from speaking. I’m allergic to apathy.

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Jacquelyn Suter's avatar

Wow, Kimberly, I like this attitude.

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Kimberly Carter's avatar

It’s always worth a try 😀 Thank you.

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sol s⊙therland 🔸's avatar

We shall see.

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Kimberly Carter's avatar

That’s the problem with a bunch of writers, they’ll put words together anyway.

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Mark Lloyd's avatar

I came to the comments to figure out if I was the only person confused. (I am not)

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Erica Jones's avatar

So confused. Now that I’m understanding what this is, I am even more confused. WHYYYYYY?

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Gastroillogica's avatar

Same.

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Nathan Slake's avatar

Likewise. I just don't understand this.

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Gaía Passarelli's avatar

Same

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sol s⊙therland 🔸's avatar

It's not.

Money follow the incentives.

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Rohan Dehal's avatar

I understand Substack's motivation to compete with platforms like beehiiv and X, particularly in attracting higher revenue niches, but I have reservations about introducing prediction market embeds.

This feature risks transforming authentic opinions into market-driven narratives, potentially compromising the integrity that makes Substack valuable. It also seems to disproportionately benefit Polymarket over Substack and its writers.

I'm surprised to see this prioritized when there are likely other features that could more directly benefit the Substack community without introducing potential conflicts of interest. How does Substack plan to ensure this enhances rather than detracts from the platform's core value proposition?

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Julie Gabrielli's avatar

Yes, for instance what about all the excellent suggestions for improving reader experience with fiction, and serialized fiction especially?

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Gastroillogica's avatar

I could vote for prioritizing THIS feature

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Katharine Beckett Winship's avatar

Why would we fritter away our hard earned agency??

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Wayne Robins's avatar

I second the motion.

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sol s⊙therland 🔸's avatar

Money follow the incentives.

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James Garside's avatar

The enshittification of Substack begins

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sol s⊙therland 🔸's avatar

Here we go! 🧡

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Zoe Carada's avatar

This can’t be true: such a fancy feature while the plain post editor is still missing basic blogging / long form writing features like variety of fonts, html, pic and text wrapping etc?? Didn’t Substack boast it’s THE place for writers? Wtf?

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sol s⊙therland 🔸's avatar

They have investors to satisfy, Zoe.

I understand where you are coming from.

I also understand where they are coming from.

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Jacquelyn Suter's avatar

Zoe and Sol, I understand where both of you are coming from. But I must say, I'm more inclined in my gut towards Zoe's feelings. I came to SS almost a year ago with high hopes of starting a site of my own. I'm a writer in the vein of Richardson, Vance, Reich, Snyder, Schmidt -- at the intersection of culture and politics. I'm serious about my writing and don't write from my phone on-the-go (as was introduced to us a few weeks ago as a major new feature). I always compose on my desktop with Word and edit numerous times before I consider my piece finished and ready for publication. Why Word? Simple, it has the most robust digital compositional tools available. Maybe a bit revanche, but sleek and it works! So, I don't understand why SS doesn't try to incorporate a simple copy/paste solution into the editor page. Something elegant and seamless like faultless text WITH embedded images. Believe me I've tried communicating to SS Support -- at the time, couldn't get a support person to tell me whether I could import a Word doc or compose and edit directly onto SS. Still waiting... Finally, Sol to your point, it's very evident SS is throwing everything conceivable onto the wall to determine what will enhance more paid subscriptions. Nothing wrong with that ... except I'd say it doesn't seem as if SS had a well-thought out business/marketing plan at the get-go. I'll just stop now.

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sol s⊙therland 🔸's avatar

Why don't more women like you get involved in successful business? Then they will know what it's like to be at Substack level.

Why don't you build the next Substack, Jacquelyn?

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Shaza's avatar

Me too...

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ERIN REESE's avatar

This is as far away as possible from the original mission of Substack and its writers community. 😒👎🏽 C'mon, @Hamish. You can do better.

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Jacquelyn Suter's avatar

Totally agree! SS originally promoted itself as a site for good writers.

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sol s⊙therland 🔸's avatar

Erin, Hamish isn't the only one involved.

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Ronald de Caluwé's avatar

Not ONE positive comment, Substack devs and staff. Draw your conclusions, this was a glitch of your brains, clean it up please and continue with useful improvements.

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Jacquelyn Suter's avatar

Yeah, I can't figure out SS's executive team's thinking. So maybe throw some more spaghetti at the wall...or, start over and determine your mission statement clearly.

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Robert C. Gilbert's avatar

Isn't prediction markets just a euphemism for online gambling? How does this help the 99% of writers here? Why is Substack prioritizing this over another round of the Substack Go or Substack Grow series?

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Gastroillogica's avatar

I’d pay 1€ to see the minutes of the requirement team meeting where this feature was prioritized and implemented. Technical project manager, come here in disguise and tell us!

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Victor Shammas's avatar

Promoting online gambling? No thanks.

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Gastroillogica's avatar

It’s unethical. And in my birth country is forbidden - one of the few things they get straight.

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Marie Shadows's avatar

That's how the website for Polymarket is set up. I clicked on 'Yes' and was taken to a page that had a $0. So yeah, I had to place a bet if I think USA was going to win. 🤷

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Daniel Piper's avatar

I think this is really going to benefit my literary newsletter.

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Shaza's avatar

😅

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sol s⊙therland 🔸's avatar

Can't tell if you're serious, Daniel.

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Jacquelyn Suter's avatar

Sol, I think Daniel is being sarcastic. Sounds like something I'd say and definitely think.

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sol s⊙therland 🔸's avatar

Good to know.

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Brandon Cornett's avatar

It seems like glorified gambling to me. Unless I'm missing something.

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sol s⊙therland 🔸's avatar

That's a way to put it.

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Benjamin Marie's avatar

I thought it was some kind of spam.

What a terrible way to announce this feature. For both Substack and polymarket, it looks so cringe.

Most Substack writers won't care at all about this. Next time, target your emails.

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Cynthia Mick's avatar

I can't help but think we are moving toward advertisements. I really hope each person has a choice about whether to add this subdtack info. I will definitely be leaving Substack, if not. It is why I no longer use Facebook, X and others like that.

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Shaza's avatar

Same

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sol s⊙therland 🔸's avatar

Substack is here to stay.

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Jacquelyn Suter's avatar

Sol, here to stay until something better comes along for serious writers. Or...until SS decides to come clean about finally admitting they're not getting the revenue they had hoped for. Cynthia, unless more revenue is generated for SS, ads are definitely in the future.

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sol s⊙therland 🔸's avatar

Writers need to humble themselves.

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Jacquelyn Suter's avatar

Sol, you seem to be a thoughtful and intelligent person. Why should we humble ourselves if we feel that we've been deceived? What is your connection to SS that you hold fast so tightly?

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sol s⊙therland 🔸's avatar

Jacquelyn, because I'm not a thoughtful and intelligent person.

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Shaza's avatar

I'm laughing because~ Humbled folk don't gamble🎲🎰

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sol s⊙therland 🔸's avatar

Yes, not in the traditional way.

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Shaza's avatar

🤣

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Tracey Parker's avatar

Cringe

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Gastroillogica's avatar

Exactly.

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sol s⊙therland 🔸's avatar

Oh dear.

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