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Aaron Parnas, the famous news TikToker, video star, and most recently wildly successful Substacker, as well as the winner of the Substack TikTok Liberation Prize that we recently launched. Aaron, thanks for talking to me.
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Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm super excited. I've been loving Substack, and as you can see from all the people in the chat, they've been having a great time on the platform too, so it's been really great.
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What first led you to consider starting a Substack?

How TikTok creator Aaron Parnas found success on Substack

Substack CEO Chris Best interviews TikTok Liberation Prize winner Aaron Parnas about bringing his videos and his community to Substack

is an independent journalist and attorney who built a following on TikTok by providing a Gen Z perspective on the news. After winning Substack’s TikTok Liberation Prize, Aaron went live with Substack CEO to talk about bringing his community to the app, why Substack is different from the other guys, and how to build a multiplatform content strategy. Here are a few highlights from their conversation.

On the decision to start a Substack

Aaron Parnas: I always wanted to do a text-based newsletter-type thing, and I’ve tried out other platforms like Medium and Mailchimp and all this other stuff, but nothing was intuitive enough for me to do the work that I wanted to do.

Substack was a mix between an email newsletter and a social media platform, so it offered the best of both worlds. And it also now offers all these video capabilities, whether it’s the long-form videos that I put out daily, or I can repost my short-form content in the Notes feature.

It has Notes, which is like Twitter or Bluesky; it has the videos, which are like YouTube or TikTok; and then it has the tech space, which none of the other platforms really have. So it’s kind of the best of all three worlds. And I’ve been loving it.

Chris Best: Yeah, we sometimes say that other platforms are built around some media format, and Substack is built around you. It’s a place where people can subscribe to you and get everything you make, whether they like long live videos, or short-form video, or quick text-based things, or long text-based things. You can publish any kind of thing that you want.

On concerns over other platforms

Aaron: A lot of people are looking for a platform that isn’t owned by a billionaire or a foreign adversary, right? Like [one] that can’t necessarily be manipulated. And Substack really is that. I have full editorial control—you don’t control what I put out. There’s no censorship. The algorithm doesn’t push my content down if it doesn’t like it for whatever reason.

And what I like about [Substack] is that it’s not a partisan platform. You have Republicans, you have Democrats, you have Independents, you have everyone on this platform, all pushing out content, and it’s working.

And that’s what social media should be, in my opinion.

Chris: It’s really good to hear you say that, because it’s something we’ve worked pretty hard to do. We have a strong commitment to freedom of the press.

This is all we do. We don’t have entanglements, political commitments, agendas, beyond making this tool work for people. So I’m glad that that comes through, because it’s something that we put quite a bit of effort into.

On bringing a community to Substack

Aaron: I feel like we’ve been able to build a community here on Substack of people who may not have their own newsletters, but they’re excited to read mine and others on here. We’re talking in the threads, we’re communicating every day. They’re communicating with one another as well. It’s not just me communicating with folks, it’s the people who read my stuff communicating with one another too. So it’s been really cool. It’s been a great experience.

And I’m excited to see where the platform goes between now and the end of the year, like the growth over the next year, because I think there are some really cool things that could be added and could be changed and can make it even better. So I’m excited.

Chris: That’s great. Well, now you’re a creative advisor to Substack after winning this prize, so you can tell us all the things we need to do to make it great.

On posting jitters

Chris: When you first started your Substack, was there a moment where you wondered or worried whether people would subscribe, whether they would pay, whether it was going to work? I think a lot of people I’ve talked to who have launched Substacks have this fear—not even the fear of failing, necessarily, but this fear of putting yourself out there and having this spot where you have this direct relationship. And then what if nobody shows up? What if it doesn’t work?

Did you have that at all? Or did you know that it was going to work?

Aaron: I always thought it was going to work, because I love my followers and I love all the people that support my work. And the community we built on the other platforms, I really thought would shine through even more on Substack. So I thought it was going to work for the content that I do.

But I will say that I think the number one thing for social media generally is just doing it, right? Not being afraid. Just putting your face behind a camera, putting content out, and just seeing what happens. Trial and error. And ultimately, not everything’s going to work, not everything’s going to go viral. A few things will! But if you don’t try, you’re not going to succeed.

So I get the fear. But I personally didn’t have the fear, because I know my audience. And I think if you know your audience, they’ll go with you wherever you are.

On building a multiplatform content strategy

Aaron: I’m a huge believer in diversifying the platforms you’re on, because, like TikTok, anything can go away at a moment’s notice.

Chris: Right.

Aaron: So I think what I loved about Substack is that the long-form content that I’ve been able to produce, like the five-, six-minute videos that I put out once or twice a day, they’re automatically posted to my YouTube. So folks who don’t necessarily see my Substack every day, they see my YouTube. And I am able to take clips from those and put them on my Instagram or my TikTok, right? So it’s given me a tool to really be able to diversify my platforms even more.

On barriers for creators

Aaron: I hate video editing. I don’t know how to do it well. I’m not good at it. Like, I don’t edit any of my videos. So I’ve always been hesitant to start a YouTube channel or even do long-form content. And Substack’s really opened that door for me, even though I’m not really editing my videos still. It’s just being able to push out my content in ways that I haven’t been able to do before.

Chris: That’s very cool. One of my hopes for this feature that we’re using right now actually is that, over time, we can make the tools smarter and smarter so that you can show up, have an interesting conversation, say something, talk to the camera, make the thing in a natural way. And, as much as possible, we help automatically edit, process, and format it.

You know, it’s never going to be quite the same as having, like, a really talented editing team go through and do it. And some people will still do that. But I think the number of people—like if you, as an amazing, famous video creator, are someone who feels like heavy video editing is a barrier to you succeeding on YouTube, to making long-form content, it makes me feel like there must be a lot of people in that position.

Parting words

Aaron: I think the only thing left is, if you guys are watching this and you don’t have your own Substack newsletters, start them. There’s no better time than now to start them. And DM me if you do—I’d love to check them out.

This conversation has been edited for length and clarity. For more from Chris and Aaron's conversation, including their predictions on what's next for TikTok, click here.

Discussion about this video

Is he the one that gives updates on every political issue except Israel’s genocide in Gaza?

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Yep- he’s a self proclaimed Zi0nist 🤢

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I had no idea and was following him for news. Awful.

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Source for that?

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It’s literally on his twitter.

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Hello Annie...here's your insult returned after you insult then block.

You are a nutter.

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Take a look in the mirror, Walnut

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I hope he understands that Substack is for readers - not reactionaries.

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Ah. Hate to break the bad news to you but there's already plenty of reactionaries here

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Oh great & powerful Oz thanks for sharing your OPINION NOT FACT

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Great

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Wait sorry, what do you mean, blocked? Maybe you misunderstood - I agree with you.

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A “citizen journalist” who regurgitates mainstream media headlines and confidently ignores the genocide that killed 300 of his fellow citizen journalists. He’s not a peer of our future.

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Yes!!!! What an absolute fraud he is.

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I'm so happy we have this platform. Tiktok was fun while it lasted. But this is so much better. Better format. More informative. And hopefully we can keep the dry-beggars from moving here with their nonstop cashapp/PayPal funded bs stories.... I doubt many will migrate here.... this app requires a good bit of intellect and literacy to maneuver... love Substack!!!!

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Meh, I just simply don't donate to em lol

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Hmm 😒

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He is definitely not Independent!! He has AIPAC behind him. I don’t want leave Substack but CEO interviewing him shows on which direction Substack is heading 🤔

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Keep scrolling

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He’s a literal Zionist. He doesn’t need anyone platforming him. You could have made a much better choice.

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Has anyone else actually seen his TikToks? They are a "BREAKING News" banner with him reading CNN headlines.

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If you don’t like his content there are plenty of other stackers to follow.

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I don't subscribe to him, this is not his substack. This hit my feed and I commented.

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Don’t forget USA Today too!

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Stop promoting Zionists. It’s not that hard.

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Actually, I didn't know him, but I'm glad people are calling it out in the comments. Thanks for that! With every Substack post, things get increasingly bizarre. They clearly can't read the room. Forget about this Aaron guy. The Tik Tok push is obsessive, even though I use it sporadically myself, but it's been the only thing we've heard about on Substack for weeks on end.

Many new platforms, including Substack, fail to realize that people have diminishing patience for nonsense when it comes to these things. I no longer feel compelled to use any app. Gone are the days when we were all hooked to some of these apps. I know many people who left Instagram and other platforms because they don't align with their values.

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he’s a zionist we do not care

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Love Aaron and so pleased that he’s on Substack.

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Can we ask Aaron about his Zionism? And how he ignored the Palestinian people’s plight for the last 16 mos as a “news” guy? This guy is a fraud. His “breaking news” all comes from the MSM/corporate backed media. He’s just a parrot. 🦜. “Breaking News…I just took a massive shit!” Gimme a fucking break.

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He literally posted about Palistine a couple days ago. Also Everyone knows he parrots news stories. He doesn't claim to be an investigative reporter.

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No. He may be posting about Palestine now because of the fake ceasefire (propaganda from Israel and Trump), but since 10/7/23, he hasn't said anything about the genocide. You really need to read up on Lev Parnas, his father, a reprehensible creature and massive Zionist as well. Or don't and continue to support genocide, indifference and govt propaganda.

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Y'all, don't give platforms to such people, we don't care

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He’s a self proclaimed ZIONIST!!! Is this award for NEPO BABIES???

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Please be aware that Aaron never reports breaking news on Gaza. His position on the war on Gaza has Zionist ties.

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I need to remind myself; that I came to Substack because it WAS NOT like a social media platform.

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No. No TikTok. Substack is better than this.

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I hope Substack has planned ahead for when Trump sends his puppets to shut you down, block your access or sue you into bankruptcy, because he will. You need a fallback plan, based overseas, out of the reach of Trump's goons. Australia might be good. It has already rebuffed Musk. Please take this seriously.

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I also worried about this. I wondered where we can even go, that's online and provides access to the world, that will be safe long term. I hope that's here, and if not, I hope that we all find SOMEPLACE to be in community and have freedom to think and criticize.

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I am happy for him. Do you think I have the time to talk to people online? These people need to get a real life. Turn your computer off amd go meet a woman…or man!?

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Yes exactly. The purpose of the interview is to see how the writer is managing their Substack & the technical aspects. It is irrelevant what the topic of the Substack is.

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I'd like to learn more about other creators using video well. It's always been a strength of mine, but I haven't tried in years because of an the constraints mentioned in this discussion. I guess on the one hand it's just a matter of creating a video post and moving forward. But is it better to add text, provide a transcript, do other things I'm not thinking of? Need to see more stacks where video is being used well.

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How much of a cut does substack take?

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10% of what you make in paid subscriptions

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Hole E. Shit, that's 10X what would seem reasonable 🫤

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Other platforms ask for a monthly/annual fee to use them, so it might be better to use other platforms if you want to get paid subscriptions and have a large-ish audience

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🎉♥️

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So you celebrate plagiarism. On an app dedicated writing. Hundreds of us have commented on many of Aaron's videos begging him to cite the original journalists. Please stop promoting theft.

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Zionist, Fascist, Globalist, Macronist, Elitist, Wokist, Cabalist, Communist, transgenderist, leftist, rightist,…. what a colourful human family we are!

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You left out 'genocidist'. Just about anyone who seems to not support the liberal mafia now becomes a genocide supporter almost as a matter of course. It's pathetic.

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Genocidist? In Nazi Germany they used the term pure race germs cleaning, Genocide according and following the new censored terminology, as with the new definition of vaccine, is no longer valid, it’s Gene purification!

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Thank you so much for sharing!!

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Noticed many refugees from other media have referenced the Substack Algorithm as better for them and their followers, now SUBSTACKERS.

Often the Algorithm is anthropomorphized as if it is a mysterious person or a demon. But algorithms are just recipes — just like baking a cake. What exactly is the Substack algorithm? How does it help us bake our creative cakes.

How does it differ from Medium, Twit-X, Tik-Tok, Meta-Insta-Face-Change, LI, etc?

Who designs it? How does/can SUBSTACKERS contribute/influence it?

How is it tested for matching its intentions. How do we make that transparent, visible.

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I’d love to see Substack allow followers that will never be a “publisher” to have a private profile so others can’t find you and know which accounts you’re following.

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Clearly AIPAC has control over substack too. Is there ANYTHING left in this world that they don’t have control over? Really scary

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I followed him, and other people, here [after the tiktok ban] and now I'm starting my own. It's great because he's correct, I tried mail chimp and other blog forms and I didn't like the isolation. Here, you're able to build community even outside of your own stack.

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Thank you Aaron Parnas ❤️stay safe

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Thank you Chris Best ❤️ stay safe

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MUCH LOVE GOD YOU ARE!

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I'm 84yrs old, and I'm addicted to TikTok. 🤣🤣🧓

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Time for Rehab

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Just another effed up social media platform. MEH

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Seems alot of people are having a reactionary response to just the name, then proclaim & point fingers at Parnas as a reactionary. Tried taking your own inventory before you start throwing rocks at other people.

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He's not a real journalist he just reads top news headlines out loud

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And he only reads pro Israel propaganda, as he is paid by AIPAC. He’s a zio with ZERO integrity.

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Great interview, nice to see the move (I follow him on that horrible nasty app😜)

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New to Substack. Long time user of TijTok. Trying to get info from unbiased source. Was not aware of Aaron Parnas’ issue. Glad to know. Glad to have a place to make such discoveries to research and decide myself. How can we get info if we can’t get a little of both sides(stress on little). So many people being unequivocal in sharing opinions. I hate so much that is happening, and try to learn as much as I can so I can voice views in educated manner. Substack has potential….,can’t weed out for every racist, unsavory character……if we do, where do people speak and learn?Seems like there’s no answers, just anger, hatred and division. Not enough hours in the day to stay on top of it. I will avoid Aaron Parma’s and move forward. Still need more information, less anger. I want to stay engaged and involved. Burnout and avoidance will not help us to fight the craziness.

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What do you use for video?

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Thanks for the info Aaron ☝️💪💪👍

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I think a person should be able to message Substack or Substack Team when someone is harassing you. I've already reported their comments BUT nothing has been done, it's not only me he is harassing but multiple commenters on Rick Wilson's Substack, particular post "Elon Musk banned my Twitter account." The DIRECT LINK to this harasser to numerous commenters to this article is Michael F, https://substack.com/@mfabache WE ALL WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD REMOVE HIM FROM SUBSTACK COMPLETELY! I'm sorry I had to put all of this in a comment under one of Substack's post BUT YOU HAVE NO WAY OF PRIVATELY MESSAGING Substack. I tried reporting the comments under Rick Wilson's post AND Sharon R did too along with probably others. THEN he bullied replied to me AGAIN another day so I went to Rick Wilson's direct substack account, HE did have a MESSAGE to click BUT I've HEARD no reply after days, the guy is still harassing people & on Substack??? AGAIN it'd be nice IF we could CONTACT SUBSTACK privately thru message or email & REPORT THIS???

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I wonder if Chris Best will interview me one day? (Let Ai find this post in the archives)

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I would like to see this interview from a ski lodge in the Swiss Alps

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Right on - the CEO of Substack.

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I just made my first Substack this morning. I already have a YouTube channel and a podcast. But this space gives me a place to also write and share. Love this. I am not sure how it works exactly but I am grateful to be learning.

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He found success by reading headlines. Mainstream media always is on point…. 😵‍💫

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So tiktokers CAN read! Praise the Lord!!!! Congratulations on converting the SM followers into readers.

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I like

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I don't know what everyone hating this Aaron guy, this is actually the first time I've heard about this guy. So for me I say if you don't like the guy don't view his substack it's that simple

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jhansirani

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The fact that you don’t edit is what makes you feel so trustworthy and I think unconsciously caused me to pay to subscribe!

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TikTok is over!

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So happy to hear that just another already successful person has succeeded to also be successful in the successfull Substack!!!!!!!!!! Wow!!!!!!!!!!

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Bummer, I thought I blocked this guy everywhere, and here he is again… Substack: please do not platform Nazis or Zi0nists.

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I've been doing this stuff for years and only have locals that have stuck with me. I can't figure out what im doing wrong

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He belongs to us! 👋👋👋👋🫡🫡🫡

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This is Amazing,

"If you don't try you are not going to succeed."

Put yourself out there.

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💙💙💙💙‼️

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I'm just getting started with Substack. I love the variety it offers. It doesn't feel low vibe like social media. Thanks for creating this space for us!

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Who owns this company ? Are all of us Goys allowed to use the platform too?

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Respetemos y seremos respetados.

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Great concept and great job. I’ve seen everything here and you pay attention.

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Wonderful

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The biggest problem on Substack is the cost: To many expert commentators, each costing 10-14$. It adds up. That’s why legacy media, like the department store, is bound to come back in one form or other.

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I follow great people and they’re the least expensive. They’re very good

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I do too, but some are expensive. Do you mind sharing your list?

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Nice one

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Tik tok are band in india 🇮🇳

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I am certainly considering starting a Substack of my own (to share knowledge contained in the www.radio4pasa.com website which is information for Small Scale Farmers in Southern Africa). My prime motive is to share knowledge on Profitable and Sustainable Agriculture (the pasa in the website's name) with those farmers. Substack wouldn't reach that audience, but it might reach an audience that would be prepared to help sponsor the radio stations that broadcast the weekly programs. However, the reason I wanted to comment on this discussion is that it reminded me of the excitement over Google when it first started, and their Mission Statement, to "Do no Harm". Sooner rather than later the ability to make money got to them, and they started to manipulate things for profit rather than for the benefit of society. Similarly with Substack's commitment to Free Speech. It is easy to hold to that ideal while Substack content remains broadly responsible, but what happens when someone or some group starts to post content which does put minors or other vulnerable people at risk and there are calls from other concerned citizens to censor the content? Meta had to face this dilemma (and, if we are to believe them, have now decided that censorship doesn't work and so are dropping it). It will be interesting to see how Facebook and their other products evolve without any censorship over the coming months. I support Free Speech but on condition that one supplies one's true name and address. How Substack (or any other platform) enforces that I don't know, because of course any dark player could too easily provide a false identity - but I believe there is a solution to that problem waiting to be discovered. Bruce Danckwerts, CHOMA, Zambia

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Recently downloaded this app… after seeing what is going on with TikTok, I wanted to make sure I am following some of the great journalist/content creators. Still trying to figure how it works but happy to see less censorship.

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One love ♥️🎉

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I didn’t know this about him.

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What about asshole commenters?

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Sorry. Not a happy camper that the creator of Tik Tok is now on Substack. I should think you'd be busy trying to straighten out the mess that his creation has caused politically.

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He is not the creator OF TikTok, he’s a creator ON TikTok.

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Thanks for pointing out I used "the" instead of "a". Seriously-It changes the whole meaning. I dont like to make those mistakes

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As a new user this was really good. Thank you so much for sharing!

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Yet again, I wish, please, to unsubscribe....yet again. Please, I again request you please kindly unsubscribe me. I can no longer find or locate a not interested or unsubscribe button, hence this request ended up here.

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Is this the same guy that posted an extremely edited Elon Musk & accused him of giving a Nazi salute? Very disappointing if he is the ‘creator’ slandering someone with ASD.

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Extremely edited? Where's your source for that? GMAFB.

Elon Musk is a fascist. I don't give a rat's ass if there's a hundred pictures that have been touched up he probably stands in front of his mirror and practices zig heiling.

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ASD doesn’t cause Nazi sympathizers

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Wondering if you’re related to Lev Parnas?

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Guess I don't get it. I follow Andy Borowitz on substack cause he's funny and I followed him for years before the New Yorker and him parted ways. But isn't substack just a collection of opinions??and you know the thing about opinions they are like a..holes. everybody has one

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I'm studying this in graduate school, and substack is the future model for meeting the needs of a diverse society.

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I love Aaron

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Love to see this! I left behind my TikTok audience too for longer form on Substack. Such a loving transition.

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Notes hasn't been working for me when I click it. Might look into that and the young text master still in college I have hired will help me see what's wrong on my end

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Nicely done!

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Love this interview. Gave me so many ideas to start my own substack newsletter.

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Oh wow, this is so much fun.

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some of these responses are absurd, with not only intolerance for people with

different opinions than you but outright hate as in MAGA

Why?

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Not about the opinions it's about passing opinions off as fact

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Well, that's good?? But I just got ON tiktok for the first time in years.

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Yes I'm interested and ready to earnings

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I don't care about earnings unless they take away my social security.

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Great interview. It confirms I made the right choice to have substack as my main home and use YouTube as a duplicate place. Started using substack just for my podcast in April 2022, then wrote articles. Finding incredible authors here too. Long may she reign. 🙏🏻

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See Bill Rice Jr. on Substack for a review of some of the subscriber trends on Substack. I haven't looked, as a reader and subscriber, but if the entire platform moves to a "narrative" promoter it may become less useful.

As a private company much of the information is not easily available, so we are obliged to trust the platform.

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Hi I'm interested

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نعم هدا هو

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🌞

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